posted Fri, 05/25/2012 - 13:09
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yoo this is for a gym buddy, hes running test cyp, third or 4th cycle at 500mg. its week 9 1/2 and he has hit a platue for the last 2 weeks. He thought he would switch from the test cyp to test pp/npp 3x a week (basicly eod), or sustanon 3x a week. what are your thoughts? hes not a fan of orals and doesnt want to up test cyp dosage, so its eithier wrap up cycle, test pp/npp,or sustanon. Only reason he doesnt want to rap up is hes so close to his ideal body that he has been wishing for his whole life that he really wants to make it possible this cycle, and not have to have another shut down/full cycle to accomplish that. only needs 4-5 more lbs of actuall muscle.
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This, as said below isn't a steroid problem. Get the diet, gym and kitchen work in check as things will improve. IMO though it's kind of normal to hit a platue around this time. Heard a lot of people say the same thing. Don't bother adding another compound now.
tread-mTAKE YOUR FING AI....Nobody reads my shit anymore wheres the fing love! Ok let me be nice, hey dude, is he TAKING HIS FING AI???????? I'm sorry, kinda lost controlk again, I'm not using my AI properly and I'm crabby!
Benchanitorno, however he did have blood work and his estro was in check. and before that when he took aromasin at 6.25 his estro became very low.
tread-mWhen was the bloodwork? A day or two after the stall or before that? Estro can spike in a single day and destroy the cycle within 72 hrs. You would have to have bloods every week to know for certain but if he is crashing his estro you use that as a roadmap and bump the AI in and out or lower the dose etc. It will be necessary for all people likley in the course of a cycle somewhere. It will almost always rekick a cycle when stall just pops up overnight knowing estro likely rose as did shbg. If it stallls bounce it in quarter tab eod for a week and see if it kicks off. Lift heavier as well and clean the diet up more increasing protein intake. Go to some carb work and use the carbs to help gains if bf is in check and trying to bulk. Still lean towards AI here unless those bloods are fresh, really fresh. If he tested evena week before the stall in cycle those bloods are useless.
Benchanitorhe got it 3 days after stall. then when it came back in normal range, he still decided to run 6.25 eod(fkin retarded i know)because he was pissed that gain stalled, and suddenly joints got sore and he got depression. now hes fine after he stopped but gains still arnt happening. maybe since he blew up at first now shit wont happen im not sure. i honestly think it might come down to downing mass amounts of food. because once you gain like 20+ pounds in 3-6 weeks i dont think your magicly going to add another 20 in the last 6 weeks. maybe he just made his gains earlier on cycle then others?
tread-mDo you happen to know how he is splitting his carbs? Would really have to see the diet work to make sense of it. Its not out of the question to slow up on gains and likely more the norm but just complete stall means there has to be some change implemented obviously.
Benchanitori know before he kept all his carbs before 6, but since week 4 he eats carbs (oats) with casein protein hour before bed to help with calories.
gains on cycle are very dependant on the amount of calories and protien you take in... the more you can shove in, the bigger you are going to get(within reason) it is very possible to pleteau is being caused by nutrition - or lack thereof.. increase calories, also protien should be around 2 grams per lb while on cycle..
futurebeastThat's going to require more compounds/ancillaries to be able to process and absorb the food though. You can shove as much food down as you want and are more likely to get fat or diabetes than add a significant amount of muscle without adding peptides and slin to utilize the nutrients properly. sometimes you can only do what you can with your body unless you are willing to compromise other things.
stats? age? also, diet is going to play a big role here.. so what kind of diet is this "friend" of yours on? calories? macros?
Benchanitorabout 6"1 - 6"2, 250, 13% bf. 40/30/30 for macros. and is really is my buddy im just on first cycle myself not gonna add any other compounds except maybe some prop for last 2 weeks.