week 7 Test E and nothing
Hello everyone,
I am on week 7 of test e and no real results yet. Here are the specifics: first test cycle, 250 grams of protein a day, 4000 calories, hit the weights hard and heavy 5 days a week (can post routine), test is Iranian from a good source, I did not start at 500 mg week 1was 250 and then 375 for weeks 2 and 3 but I have been at 500mg a week now for almost 4 weeks. Any advice e would be appreciated. I did have bad night sweats for the first few weeks and erections all day long so its legit but now everything is gone. No more sweats or feeling horny all the time. No weight gain really or strength so could I bee to impatient or should I switch my test. I have some veyron test to use, or just wait or maybe bump up the dosage ? I should at least have put on 5 lbs or so by now.
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The night sweats are first, then the scanty urine odor, then the crazy libido (watch out for that one its like your 13 again) then you'll start to get premature "pumps"; after just one set let's say of isolated curls you'll feel like your arms are going to split, THEN comes the water gain, muscles get noticeably larger, weight gets lighter, sleep gets better, sex is even better, but unless your isolating I wouldn't be in the gym 5 days a week. Muscle as you know is grown during the "rest" period.
Here is a link to a control group study that's pretty interesting. I have no doubt your gear working, to what extent the concentration is maybe a factor, you should have had the sweats around week to, week three urine odor and premature pumps, week 4-5 you should feel like a machine. Maybe considering upping you dosage for 2-3 weeks like a front load and see if it is in the concentration. Good luck.
Here is my take. Ina an earlier post you said you weigh 240#. In your original post yo said your protein intake is 250 grams a day. Test or no test you will not grow on 250 grams of protein daily. At your weight you need at the minimum 2 - 2.5 grams per pound of bodyweight. For you that is 480 to 600grams of protein per day. Its not the test. Its the diet.
Wow talk about propagating misinformation, so much broscience
AAS increases protein synthesis as I am sure you know. If we dont provide the body with the extra protein it will rob it from within. Robbig Peter to pay Paul so to speak. Each person has their own ratio sweet spot. For me it is right at 2 grams per pound of bodyweight. Granted the OP may be higher or slightly lower. But you can bet your ass a 240 pound man aint growing on 250 grams of protein a day.
if his carb intake is high enough he can see growth. Not saying 250 is ideal for a 240lb person, but with the right amount of carbs its possible.
Looks like diet is the problem here though.
OP increase protein intake
My test e and deca didn't hit me till week 9ish..
Just a follow up guys. Last week on test e and still nothing! even upped my calories to 5000 a day for last 10 days or so. Test is just not the best in my opion and def overated. I read on another post a guy gained 36 lbs on 500 mg a week WTF I can't even get 10 on 750 mg a week. I did add some DMZ a week and a half ago and I am running it up to pct so another 3 weeks or so. I am seeing better results with DMZ than the test so hopefully I can get some gains fron this cycle. Still have great libido, still have zits, oily head and some strenght gains but no weight gains and my balls still look the same (no shrinkage). If I do decide to run test again like I said I would def do 1000 mg a week and add some dbol or something else.
go get a blood test
Def gonna see where and how much a blood test is and hopefully it's a not a big pain to get one where I live. As I said though I def have oily ass skin, zits all over, super night sweats for first few weeks and also constant wood all the time but that's normal for me my woman always asks why am I hard
I never, ever have zits or oily skin. One thing is I am def more vascular. You guys also have to remember I'm not 5'8" and 175 lbs like most first time users. I AM 6' 8"and and 240 so that makes a huge did so I believe I need a larger dose and 7000 + calories next cycle. I am at 5000 now and working my way up.
8000 calories
No cardio
1500mg test E
1500 mg sust. For 15 weeks
^ tell me test sucks after that
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The dosages above are a sarcastic joke
Anyone no matter the size can grow on real testosterone at 1000mg or under per week
Even 250mg per week if your diet is right!
Well looks like this thread is still getting a lot of post's and thats awesome! I really appreciate everyones advice. I have done some simple oral (tbol) and PH cycles in the past and never saw much gains from them either so thats why I decided to take the giant leap into Test and see if I could gain on it and I hate to say it but I havent gained crap. Gear seems to be legit (maybe under dosed) because I have great wood, zits all over, some aggression, night sweats, and extremely oily head (not as much as in the begining of the cycle, I was crazy horny all the time and sweating like a pig at night). My strenght is up and I am lifting heavier each week (didnt kick in till week 8) and my arms are bigger (Biceps up 1/2 inch and more overall vascularity) but no weight gain. I am on 750 mg a week now and have 3 more weeks left, and I am also now running 25 mg ed proviron and still nothing (just some muscle hardness). I read everyone gains 15-20 lbs and the first cycle but not everyone is 6' 8" 240 lbs. Most people are more like 5' 8" 185 lbs pre cycle so I believe this has alot to do with it. I am an EXTREMELY hard gainer and always have been. (Iranians were from anabolics fast and currently running Veyron test from bestukanaboilcs or something like that now) I think due to my size I need to stay in the 750 - 1 gram a week range for my next cycle. Would try tren but it seems realy harsh so maybe someone could give me advice for my next cycle which would be at the end of summer. PS: I might be able to get some DBOL this week and take it for the rest of this cycle up until PCT so I could get 4-5 weeks on it.
Benchanitorbro dbol aint wise at the end. imo run npp for last 4-5 weeks.
I have some tbol but it doesn't do much for me so its dbol or some dmz (methylzine ph) which is proven to be as strong as test prop and anadrol but with less sides. Depends on what I can get, the dmz does sound interesting though and supposedly average gains are 10-20lbs per 4 week cycle. I gotta get something out of this cycle before its over because I am not doing my next cycle until fall and I am gonna try sarms (ostarine) through pct and throughout the summer.
Yes, Iranians are my favorite test e in existence :). I always feel awsome on them and my test levels are always at there highest on them. I also get my blood test every month or every other month depending how I feel. Has he gotten or going to get a blood test? Only real way to know foresure.
But it looks like he has ran cycles before and this is just his first test cycle. It would be interesting to find out what he has all cycled so far? So my point is that once you have cycled and made gains that the receptors have been triggered and the dose would need to be greater and/or add a more anabolic rated steroid to the mix for more receptor simulation.
That is absolutely not true at all: http://thinksteroids.com/articles/androgen-receptor-regulation/
500mg of testosterone is 500mg of testosterone regardless if you have done no cycle or 100 cycles. The only difference is guys on their first cycle are usually at a much smaller bodyweight/muscular development so of course they see much faster gains.
It looks like his gear is either bunk/underdosed, or he isn't taking enough to support the level of growth that he desires. To be honest, 7 weeks and no noticeable change sounds like the former rather than the latter.
I was not taking about receptor down regulation like the article you pointed out is. I don't believe in down regulation because the body is constantly making new receptors. So your article makes no sense to my argument.
What I am talking about is muscle mass and how much receptor simulation is required for growth. The more muscle mass that is aquired will require more anabolics to further cause growth plain and simple.
Where did you get the Iranians from? Also you should have started w/500mg week minimum.
Testosterone is a base you will not gain much if ran alone, unless you ramp up the dosage as you did.
You want to always have a good anabolic like Dbol/decca/etc with it to get the gains comming.
Sorry for the late reply. I got the iranians from anabolics fast. I just don't think test is the best for me. Maybe a gram a week and some dbol next cycle but test solo is not for me unless my stuff was extremly underdosed. And I am pissed because every post I read about first cycles everyone gains like 20-30 lbs and I didn't gain sh!t. Oh well gonna wait till fall and plan something insane I guess!
Did you ever take an AI as someone has suggested?? From what I have read from various sources if your estrogen levels have skyrocketed from the test you are taking there will be an increase in something called SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin). SHBG will bind to testosterone making it UNAVAILABLE to work its magic. No gains, lower libido, and lack of sides such as acne. If your gear is legit I'm sure bloodwork would show high estrogen in your body, high testosterone, BUT low FREE testosterone. running an AI will lower your estro and bring down your SHBG levels thereby freeing up the test. Now everybody reacts different to gear and for some reason not everybody will need an AI but you should be aware of the Estro, test, and SHBG relationship.
leeboyTest E is deffo overrated fella your not gonna be the only one disappointed, just run a better cycle number 2, you may need higher doses etc. to gain, and test is not looking like its your thing, so mix it up a bit next time, low test higher with other compounds like deca/EQ/Primo/Tren etc. Experiment and see what works for YOU not other people.
Yeah I gotta say I expected more. I can do better with a prohormone but the sides are worse. Def gonna change it up next cycle. At least I now know that test e solo is not for me. Maybe I need to do 750 mg a week for the whole cycle and add in some deca or do a test prop eod with sust. I don't want to do too many orals because of the sides. I have 4 and a half more weeks left so we will see how much I can gain. My strength just started a week or two ago so the first 7 weeks were a complete waste. I might add in some tbol I have along with the proviron im taking now and hopefully gain something.
Still no real weight gain but def stronger and worked out biceps and triceps for an hour and could have gone longer
maybe 500 mg of test e wasn't enough for me. Gonna run test prop and maybe sust next cycle. Also just switched to veyron test so let's see how it goes.
Benchanitorso bro what did u do to finally fel it kick in?
I am injecting every 3 days now and I am now up 3 lbs from lastthe week and adding weight each workout.
Update: Another sick workout, I believe it is finally kicking in, I added extra weight to all exercises (Chest and Triceps today). and even if ths scale is not showing gains, my biceps are up almost half an inch
and libido is back through the roof. Maybe some of the amps are bunk or underdosed but hopefully the gains start coming.
One more Question? I know everyone is different but I see most people gain on average 15-20 lbs on the first cycle and some gain more some less. Since I havent gained anything and I only have 6 weeks left (if I do 250mg every 3rd day injections) what should I be able to gain? I was really aiming for 20-25 lbs but is that even possible in 6-8 weeks? Things might also change once I switch to the Veyron Test E and add provirion and an AI.
Makes sense. I def will do tomorrow morning and see the dif plus I wil probably take a 5lb duce. I probably eat 5 lbs of food a day along with a gallon of water.The one thing that is def different was my workout, I was getting massive DOMS before and nothing now, Yesterdays workout was good too and no soreness today at all
and I felt like I could keep on lifting.
AnonGood point. in the afternoon I am 3-5 pounds heavier as well.
Okay, I don't want to jump the gun but today I worked out for an hour and a half and didnt wa. nt to stop. No soreness at all, it was awesome! We will see how it goes from here and I will post back next week. Scale also says I'm up 3.8 lbs but I ate a shit ton today. Maybe it just takes 7 weeks for me to feel anything.
AnonThat is possible. Some people need 6-8 weeks before it REALLY hits, most do not as I understand it ( I certainly don't ) but everyone is different.
Nice bro. Thumbs up to you for sticking with him and giving solid advice.
Yeah I posted my BP below your last post about it. I check it every week, its in normal range 130 over 71.
Thank you sir! Again thats why these sites are helpful and thanks to people like you. BTW I am a EXTREMELY hard gainer, hence I am on testosterone. I was prescribed ensure protein shakes to take between meals when I was a teenager to help gain weight. Some days I can consume 5000 + calories. I Eat like its my job. Infact if I don't eat every 3 hours I get very moody and all I can say is HULK SMASH if I dont eat ;)
Itchy red skin like allergy? Hives?
No, like i have been in the sun. not my whole body, mostly face and head (bald and beautiful baby)
I have read and been told mixed reviews about adding AI if it is not needed. From what I have researched and also have been told from personal experience is that Provirion should be all I need on this type of cycle unless I start to see signs of bloat or itchy, puffy nipples. Again I am no expert as you guys are but it doesnt seem that I should add one if it is not needed. I know everyone has their own opinion just like some people run Clomid over Nolva, some run both or Nolva instead of Clomid. I have been told the opposite by several people that AI's can hinder gains and that you need some estrogen. I have Nolva on hand as well if I need it and I know that it is not an true AI neither is Proviron but it will act as one while freeing up free test and hardening muscles.
tread-mBoom!
Bp is good 130 over 71 and I am pretty pale normally. Might not be the test its hot as crap and humid here and im outside alot and I really don't tan. I assumed it was the test making me look redish but maybe not.
No ai but I plan on adding proviron for the last four weeks. I only have like 6 amps of the Iranian test then I am switching to the veyron test vile I have. And yes it is very confusing. Is it because I weigh 240 lbs and I just need to up the dosage? I have no idea. Is the test underdosed? Maybe. It's supposed to be legit according to the source and other users. Maybe im losing fat and gaining muscle which offsets and my weight is the same.
Thanks again for everyones advice and help. I think I am going to inject every 3 days for the next 2 weeks and if things pick up I will continue that throgh the rest of the cycle, which is going to be a total of 14 weeks so I should be able to se some good gains still. I am hoping for 20 lbs after pct. AND I forgot to mention that I have Proviron that I am going to add for the last 4 weeks :)so hopefully that helps free up some more test.
That will boost ya! Good luck!
If u got those from anabolicsfast or anabolicsUK then they are real and its not the amps its your mind. This has happened to me before. Plus its ur first cycle and u did it wrong, you've basically been ON for three wks, u should of started heavy on doses and then brought it down to 500mg/wk. There is test in there no matter how it was stored, even crashed test works, I know because I've shot a whole vial of crashed cyp my first cycle ever and gained 26 lbs lol. U NEED to eat a lot bro u seem to be so keep doing that. Train hard bro. And give it a couple more wks and if I was u if u wanna salvage this cycle start doing one amp every three days that's 750mg per week that's what I was just doing with those same amps same batch numbers and I have gained 15 lbs. Good luck
Edit- this is also assuming u have legit ones and not copies
Thats why these sites are awesome. I appreciate evryones advice. And yes I did get them from Anabolics fast and if you read further down I just posted that I might try every 3 days instead of twice a week lol (get out of my head). And your right about the dosage but I wanted to see how my body reacted to the test. Thanks again Homie I appreciate it.
As your body gets used to all the extra test...some sides disappear a lil.. The best judge is clothes tightening and gains in endurance and strength. I freaked out once because i lost 3lbs in one werk while strength went up. Went to put on Jeans and legs were Hella tighter and waist was sloppy baggy. Dropped fat while beefing up.
yeah its really weird. I was freaking out because I kept feeling hot and feverish and sweating at night and even felt a little sick at one point and I was told that was normal an it would go away, which it did. The problem is now I am worried the rest of my amps are fake or underdosed since I dont feel anything. I am a little more vascular and my skin is oily as hell and I am my skin is red (my fiance keeps asking me why I am so red lol)so I am confused as can be. I might start injecting every 3 days for the next 2 weeks and see if that helps.
The test is Aubihran (spelling may be wrong) batch 9010.
56toogod I hope its not the test I just ordered 50 amps of it
His stats. He's a big guy and doing pyramid cycle started low and just up to 500mg. No kickstart. I saw your post order....folks swear its the best. Gonna keep watching.
35, 240 lbs 15% bf.