posted Mon, 08/24/2015 - 02:38
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Hey guys,
This my first post on here ( not counting my intro) and have a couple of questions hopefully you can shed some light on.
I've just started a Anavar only cycle three days ago at 20mg split am and pm. Running for 4 weeks on 2 off and then 4 weeks on again. The idea of the 2 weeks off is to give the liver a break.
Would you recommended to take TUDCU or milk thistle at this dosage ?
Haven't used it before and can't find any real cycle for it.
Cheers,
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Okay, stats are,
Male, 47
85 kilos (profile shows 90 but that's wrong), 6'1
Have never completed a cycle before.
I ride mountain bikes, road bikes, lift weights and do kettle bell routines.
I don't want big gains, but I guess some lean muscle would be a positive, although I am looking to get stronger all round.
At the moment, after a ride, I feel really depleted with no energy .... sort of tired. Also feel that way after doing a weight session as well.
Why I picked oral only ? Couple of reasons.
What I can tell you after taking it for four days is
If this is all I get out of it and can do it safely, I'd be more than happy. I'd class it as money well spent.
To the people that call me a pussy, man up and inject or piss off .... my girlfriend does more ?
How about I saddle you up on a downhill bike, whack a full face helmet on and say ... nah don't start on the easy trail that has some pitfalls but with guidance you'll be right. Fuck that, i'll push you down the steep rocky run and we'll see how you go. Don't worry about your PCT, I've got that sorted for you ... it'll be hospital for a few days, some back x-rays and maybe a bit of plaster. On a good note your liver will be okay, but you'll be looking for a new spleen.. So how about it ??? man up pussy ??? yeah thought so.
To the rest that's replied, I appreciate your input and I am open to genuine positive applied direction.
If there's another direction to go in I'm all for looking at it.
Oh, and the two weeks off I was thinking was to give the liver a rest?
I have a doctors appointment tomorrow to check cholesterol levels and liver function test. Before I started they were fine.
Cheers,
Plenty of Info here on this subject AND oral only cycles ..research the subject and maybe you will understand the risks and probable damage you are putting your body thru! If you want a good case of jaundice and get on the liver transplant list by all means continue what you are doing...otherwise educate yourself and do it safe!
How many documented cases of oral aas related liver failure/disease have there been? Not many I would guess and the ones I've seen were all abusing orals by either taking too long or stacking multiple orals together. Yes of course there issues with orals but to say someone is going to get liver failure from taking anavar for 4 weeks at the above dosages is starkers
So you don't think having the two week break would be worth ?
I was just thinking of giving the liver a break or this time frame would not be long enough ?
Cheers,
Sorry if I have hijacked your post my rants are now over :-)
2 weeks won't do much for recovery if just jumping back on again and at your dosages so long as your liver is healthy there shouldn't be an issue for you to just run it straight through.maybe stick to 6 weeks if not done it previously
That's no prob's mate :-)
I've had my liver and cholesterol tests done and all is good in that department. Blood pressure is spot on as well ... BP just done this morning.
I'm booked to do my blood test again and have asked for everything to be checked i.e.: Test, liver and etc.
From what I gather Anavar takes approx. three weeks to clear system so would I be better off waiting until I finish the cycle ( being 6 weeks as you suggested ) so I get true readings?
Thanks for the input
Well maybe I misunderstood your post....u r unable to run injectables because of your job and I assume u won't b quiting any time soon ....and u want to run oral only cycles...am I correct so far? My assumption is that you will be staying at this job and continue with the oral cycles causing stress on your liver and in time possibly irreparable damage....my apologies if I offended you by trying to help...good luck ....
Mate your got your wires crossed. It's MY post not Monkeynews !
You haven't offended me cause you haven't been posting to me .... So you haven't offered any help to me thus far .. Just saying.
Well shit..clearly I'm confused on things here..sorry bro
it's all good.
But yeah wouldn't bother having a 2 week break just run it straight. It's liver toxic even at that dosage so yes use milk thistle etc and drink plenty of water
Yeah the 2 week break is not a good idea in any way you spin it I'll agree with that.
Have you gotten your liver values tested on var? In my experience and research the liver is not the thing to worry about. Mine barely elevated at all but it absolutely wrecked my cholesterol. Milk thistle isn't going to do anything against oral steroid use when they are liver toxic so if you're gonna recommend something go with tudca. But unless the op is a runner or has a very specific situation in mind besides building muscle this cycle is a waste of time and money
Eroids as a general rule doesn't recommend oral only cycles for males. Basically a waste of time.
State your goals for this cycle, prior history with aas, etc.
Oral cycles are a waste of time? Do you and most on eroids think its wise for everyone wanting to start taking gear to just jump in with test rather than oral? If so show me the exit door
Bro, no one needs to "kick you out." We do recommend starting with Test. If there is something about that that you don't believe in, you can just hang out and not participate or close your account. There are a lot of resources on this site that you are welcome to use as a member so I don't know why you wouldn't remain. But, if you are looking for a long drawn out debate about the merits of an oral only cycle in the absence of Test you probably are not going to get a lot of participation. Maybe I'm wrong about that, time will tell. But, your beliefs are in no way "offensive" to the community. If our beliefs bother you, that is another story entirely.
I have no idea how this site works sorry so if it's a case moderators are in charge and you are one them and what you say is on behalf of the site then yes I think my rational views on aas maybe out of place. It's not so much that it seems the message is everyone should be starting with test regardless it's more the absolute drivel some have posted about the dangers of orals that somehow 4 weeks of anavar is going to ruin a healthy liver.I'm not particularly a fan of oral only cycles but I see they have there place for some. I wasn't looking for an argument about the merits of orals I was merely annoyed at the standard of response being given "orals are for girls"
I'm not a MOD bro.
Think of it this way. This is first and foremost a steroid source review website and a lot of folk that take time to participate in the forums are running all manner of gear with it's broad array of side effects that include mood changes. The membership is mostly men and if you have an expectation that people are going to respond with the utmost of tact and PC, guess again. LMAO I've been on many other boards and they ain't tactful either. If anything, I would say in comparison to some, we are on the polite side but hey - a bunch of guys all Trenned up reacting to your proposal to run orals only? Don't let it bother you if at all possible.
It's actually my post.
And I fully understand what your saying, hence the dig about the downhill stuff.
I don't take offence easily and realise that the goals and expectations of a lot of people on here are far removed from mime.
I joined the site for feedback and can that's what I get.
All I need to do is weed out the dick responses which I'm quite capable of doing.
"as a general rule". There are exceptions, but they are rare.
Please enlighten us to why oral only cycles for men are so beneficial....
Seems to me like you already have your mind made up here. It seems like you're not here to learn either, so you're welcome to leave.
If you choose to stay, you might actually learn something, like the rest of us.
How about giving us the information we asked you: Goals, past cycles, etc.
Haha bonkers the lot of ya. I'm supposed to learn something from people saying "orals are for pussies" ?
So all the gains with little to no sides I got in the past from orals is all just a my figment of my imagination?
I joined to here to not only give my pearls of wisdom from my experiences but to also learn and Also to do it in a mature helpful way
Try to practice what you preach. Just because you don't like what's being said, you condemn the entire site? That will learn the lot of us.
Anyway, best of luck to you, your liver, and your girl cycle. I'm sure you'll be fine...
Haha that the response I was expecting .
Condem the entire site? Didn't know I was doing that as I don't believe this site is just about injectables but yeah I do if the site says orals are a waste of time and any other view is wrong.kindly point in the right direction to view that dictum?
What is your goal for this cycle? Why are you choosing var? Need some stats. Male or female?
Either man up and inject yourself or don't be in this game. Don't be a pussy. Oral only is for the inexperienced or pussies. 2on 2 off? This isn't clen.. Either run it or don't. I'd be more worried about your hdl than liver values on var personally. And 20mg? You better be a female or have hg var straight from the doc or else you're not going to see shit
Why only oral?? Post up some stats please also I'm hoping ur a lady cuz if ur a man grow some balls orals only is for women
Oral only cycles are not encouraged here. I know it's anavar but it's still frowned upon bud. Is there a reason why you chose an anavar only cycle? What research brough you to that conclusion?
Your first cycle should be 500mg of test E per week.
You should have clomid and nova on hand for pct also an anti estrogen on hand as well..
Boo to oral only cycles. Use some test man. I wouldn't do the 2 weeks off period but then again I'd never do what you're doing. Kinda the same cycle my lady is doing for her first cycle but she's on lower dosage. Since you're a man get some test and figure out your pct