posted Sun, 01/12/2020 - 06:22
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Hey Guys,
Here's my expected timetable and gear expected to use. I'm 6' 1, 260 pounds. My goal is to get shredded. What would you do differently? Is it too much? Too little?
May through August (Each Week):
Test E 750 mg
Tren E 400 mg
Ansomone HGH 4IU's ED
Metformin 2000mg ED
Additional-
May: Clenbuterol .20, .40, .60, .80
June: Winny 50mg ED, Anavar 50mg ED
July: Winny 50mg ED, Anavar 50mg ED
August: Clenbuterol .20, .40, .60, .80
I'm thinking of swapping out the Tren E for Equipoise 800mg-1200mg per week.
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Alphamale500After reading your comments down below, including where you said;
"Not looking to add muscle. Want to get vascular and lose fat."
And better yet, the OP already has high cholesterol! I can't see why you would even be considering running all this shit you wanna run!!! I mean, look at this list of gear for someone that doesn't wanna add any muscle and just wants to lose weight:
Test E 750 mg
Tren E 400 mg
Ansomone HGH 4IU's ED
Metformin 2000mg ED
Additional-
May: Clenbuterol .20, .40, .60, .80
June: Winny 50mg ED, Anavar 50mg ED
July: Winny 50mg ED, Anavar 50mg ED
August: Clenbuterol .20, .40, .60, .80
That's crazy! If you don't wanna gain muscle and just wanna lose weight and get vascular, then you shouldn't even be considering putting all this shit into your body. I'm not trying to be a dick, but rather I'm tying to help you see that this is crazy and totally not necessary. Do you see that now? Really, think about it bro. All of these compounds to lose weight, and not to gain muscle! And with high cholesterol already! Smh bro!!!
Cardarine would do him great, weight loss and improved lipids. Hell that, primo, and 100-200mg of test would be enough if his diet is in check.
Alphamale500EDIT: This was before I read some very relevant information in one of the OP's replies below! But scratch this now!
It's called dieting and training bro! Not running every compound you can think of, especially when you don't want to gain any muscle!!!!
Mastinos55i would take cardarine instead of clen but this just me
and test with gh and a good diet is very good as well but EQ is a very good compound if you can manage the hunger on a cutting cycle
good luck :-)
I wouldn't be swapping the Tren for EQ on a cut!
Alphamale500Bro, the OP said he doesn't want to gain any muscle anyway, just lose weight! That's a good reason for running all of those compounds, right? Lol, Smh man!
RustyhookerJohn cosigns ever posted cycle....smh
Alphamale500I wasn't trying to talk any shit or start problems, just stating the facts in this situation and making sure others were aware! But I am smh along with you, at all of the AAS and HGH on the OP's list! Especially for someone who is not looking to gain muscle! That's a real smart move! And with high cholesterol already. Crazy! Lol, Smfh.
Yep he will be going backwards if so
Best thing you can do is get your diet in check to get what your looking for because you cant out train a bad diet!
Alphamale500Great comment!
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AnonWhat's your cycle history? You've done almost nothing on this site yet, it's hard to give advice without some background.
I'm 43 y/o. Did a lot of cycles in my 20's.
Feb 2018 was 335 pounds of fat and decided to do Keto and IF. Lost 90 pounds. Got down to 245 pounds. Started with cycle in June 2019. Put on 15 pounds of muscle (260). Got off October 2019. BF is 19%.
Not looking to add muscle. Want to get vascular and lose fat.
Been doing a lot of research since October and came across this website. Have been using two suppliers associated with this site.
Alphamale500After reading this reply above, hearing your history and that you have 20%bf, and high cholesterol, you should really be focusing on diet and training only at this point. Not gear. No offense, but that's the truth here! Never mind all this shit you wanna throw together. Really bro.
"Not looking to add muscle. Want to get vascular and lose fat."
Then why do you want to take steroids???? Does that make any sense? DIET AND TRAINING!
AnonAw c'mon man, if your goal is to just get cut up use the test and gh. A bit of test and healthy dose of gh is all you need with a diet nailed down and a well planned workout routine!
You've got a looooot of gear there for a simple goal my man! You're way over doing it..using tren and the like is going to help your fat loss when you're at the sub 10% struggle. Going from 19 to 10 you don't even need gear for, it'll just help retain muscle really. Don't use a nuke lol save all that shit for when you're lean and want to get crazy. First things first, trim down to the bf you like, then reassess using gear for fat loss/vascularity. You'll save yourself a lot of nonsense and money this way.
Thanks bro! Appreciate the advice... I've been out of the game for a while (lol).
So I will stick with the Test and GH.
Should I add Metformin and Clen to it too? Or just stick with Test/GH?
How much Test per week? How much GH per day?
NotNatural23You could use metformin but if you start out at 2000mgs most people shit themselves at least once. Do some more research and if you do stick with metformin at that dose get time released. But if your fasting blood glucose is good like 80 or below I would not worry about metformin at all. My endo put me on a low dose when my fasting numbers were 100 and 102. Type 2 diabetes runs in the genes.
AnonMeh, clen is rough on your heart, and not necessary really, sure it'll help but you'd better watch your BP a few times a day.
I don't know much about metformin, but I'd just hit 500 test or 250 EOD (≈600week), and as much gh as you can afford, start it like a month before your cycle, if that means 4iu a day then that's fine, is it pharm grade or not? (don't mention any brand names) just yes or no is fine. You'll do great with pharm at 2-4 iu a day, ugl I'd use 4iu minimum. Blood work on that before and during will be a good indicator on dose efficacy.
You'll hold onto that lean meat this way while you shed fat provided you are strict with your diet and routine.
Alphamale500Hey bro! I know you're experienced and knowledgeable, and give out good advice to other members. But do you really think with the OP's goals and history, that he should really follow this advice you gave him above;
"I'd just hit 500 test or 250 EOD (≈600week), and as much gh as you can afford"
Especially since he already has high cholesterol, but even more importantly he said himself that he doesn't want to gain any muscle, but just lose weight and become vascular? From everything I know and have learned about AAS, if you're not looking to gain muscle and only want to lose weight, using a whole shit load of AAS certainly is not the answer. He should be focused on dieting and training, not putting whatever AAS he possibly can into his body. This was his own statement;
"Not looking to add muscle. Want to get vascular and lose fat."
Lol, but imo he doesn't need any gear, but rather to get his ass into a good training routine and focus on his diet!
AnonWhat's up man, haven't seen you in a couple weeks!
So here's my rationale, he's been able to stick with keto and I.F apparently. That sucks balls, means he's committed. His cholesterol is high, yes, but so is mine just a tad, it's from smashing pounds of chicken and turkey day in and day out. I've gotten mine down to the limit so I'm not terribly worried about his atm. Always something to keep an eye on as he knows.
Being that he was able to be talked out of tren and clen id guess he's a reasonable guy, he's cycled plenty before as he said so what I did was recommended a pretty basic cycle, the addition of gh is awesome if you can afford it. Now he will see most of his benefits from a good diet and exercise program, which he's given us no reason to believe that he cannot follow one, quite the opposite actually.
If he manages his E2 and diet well I don't think the 500mg test is a problem for his goals. If he was trying to get to 6% bf I would assume he'd want much lower test. He's a big guy, 500 will help him hold mass, possibly see less of a scale weight change and more of a body comp change.
If he was totally new and inexperienced I wouldn't recommend the same. But let's be honest, he can hit the goal without the gear most likely, but we are all here because we like to do things differently, my goal requires gear, but I also use gear to cut and dry up. Again, not a recommendation for a new user..
I personally don't see a problem with test and gh if he can commit to strict diet and exercise, which he's led me to believe he can.
Hope this helps, I know half the time my advice consists of "fuck off, eat more" but I usually base that case by case.
Any time I convince someone to drop tren and clen I'm happy. No need for a nuke when a hammer will work right?
Alphamale500What's up bro. Nah, I've been here everyday. Anyway, I gave my opinion and reasons, and you're right, to each his own! But I think a "fuck off, eat more" like you said, would've have suited his case much better. It's all good bro! I think we're both wasting more time right now on someone not even worth talking about tbh, Lol!
AnonLol yeah, I'll see you on the next newb post!
Hey Guys- thanks for the feedback! Maybe I miscommunicated this...
Of course, I would rather maintain my weight of 260 pounds, melt off fat, and be vascular and shredded. However I know that would be a tough task. So realistically I know I would have to lose a few pounds. Tell me if I'm wrong...
My eating and training cannot get much better. I lost 90 pounds and cannot get more focused than I am right now. Which is why I purchased a lot of products to assist. I train everyday (miss 1 day every 2-3 weeks) and my eating is damn good. I was eating too much steak (almost everyday-which is why my cholesterol was high), so I recently decided to eat more chicken, fish, etc...
I get that it comes down to diet and training. But was hoping to learn from the experts (you guys) to see if any of the products would assist me and expedite the process.
I have 1000 IU's of pharm grade. Was thinking of doing 4IU's ED (2IU AM/2IU PM).
I just did blood work. The only thing that was high was cholesterol (due to keto diet). Blood pressure was 110/72.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer me and give me advice.
AnonWhy did this get negged?
AnonGod damn that's some nice blood pressure!
As for your 1000iu gh, fuck you lol must be nice!
2/2 split is definitely a common protocol, but I've read on here numerous times that people don't notice a difference. I don't have personal experience to share in that regard. But for less pins I'd just do 4iu/am
No problem, happy to help
Rustyhooker^^^^^goals and priors +2. Bf as well as macros. Looks chem heavy if looking at miracles
just responded to Tbone69. BF is 19% and my macros mostly consist of protein and fat (since I eat mostly keto/steak)
RustyhookerCycle is 100% over the top then. I saw hgh...4iu is plenty. Test with var tail end is plenty. It as you already know foods that dictate. Save the money and gear for several future cycles.
Clen is harsh on the heart valves. Cardio...stairs in fat burn mode. Meaning heart rate in proper. For me its 110bpm.
Alphamale500Hey bro. Never mind that the cycle is over the top, did you see where the OP wrote he doesn't wanna gain any muscle, just lose weight and be vascular? Oh, and he already has high cholesterol! All that shit and he doesn't wanna gain any muscle! He needs to diet and train, that's all! Smfh. Lol!!!
RustyhookerYessir....so i ducked and watched as cosigners keep adding crazy info. Lol
AnonJust saw this, awesome, keto will melt fat off very well. Easy with the red meat long term, how do you feel about chicken and turkey? It's be a good idea to mix them in and use the red meat as a treat for a week. Gotta stay happy right?
I like chicken and turkey. LOVE red meat though. But as you said, maybe save it for a treat once or twice a week instead... again appreciate the advice.
AnonLol I was just trying to edit my post to include a bf question, kept getting the cat!