posted Mon, 04/30/2012 - 17:18
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I have done several cycles before with Sostenon 250, Deca Durabolin, Dianobol, etc. I am going to do a Sostenon cycle with very low dose of Tren Ace. Maybe 50mg EOD. I don't cycle heavy doses. The Sostenon 250 is at about 500mg per week.
My question is in regards to PCT. I have never done any PCT before, so I would like to know what you recommend I take. I have done plenty of research on Tren already. I know there are a ton of warnings, and positives and negatives. I'm almost 35, and I have absolutely no mood or rage issues. Im looking at a 12 week cycle give or take.
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AnonI know it's already been said but again you WILL have mood issues, potentially both anger and feeling like a bitch, even on low dose tren most likely. Not trying to scare you just being real. I certainly did and I started at 50mg EOD, bumped to 70mg EOD and had a really bad 2 days of sides, night sweats and depression - I NEVER GET DEPRESSED!! I skipped my next tren dose altogether and did prop only - fixed it overnight. Nice to see you going with ace, at least you can fix the dose immediately if you start getting nasty sides. Good luck tren is a beast. I have no mood or rage issues off cycle or on cycle usually, but tren changed that.
I would like to add, as soon as I switched to ED instead of EOD my sides practically disappeared. I'm on 40mg ED right now, giving it a few more days then going to 50mg ED since I'm having zero side effects outside of a little aggression. I HIGHLY recommend ED shots, even if they're as small as 25mg starting out. You can get 5/8 inch slins are hit your quads, that's what I'm doing ( well with 25g 1' actually ) and it's working out nice. 4 injection sites or so on each quad, mix in some glutes/tri's - plenty of sites. I can't do delts personally but delts too. The small amounts of oil leave pretty much zero pip ED is actually less painful than EOD for me since my quads just eat the small bits of oil, but when I do 1cc of test for example in my quad I get PIP.
Also - definitely take cabergoline or pramipexole ( I think cabergoline is better but that's me ). I'll let you research why you seem like a smart guy.... If you're like me you probably like to learn it yourself as opposed to just taking some random guy's word for it.
in addition to all that discussed below tren a is known for increasing blood pressure. i have cycled tren a at 50mg eod and was fine. now im currently running 100mg eod and noticed my anxiety levels are through the roof. it was causing heavy chest with a slight soreness to it. with this issue i was about to either drop the tren a to 50mg eod or completely stop it altogether, but i wanted to try taking some over the counter supplements 1st. i went ahead and got myself some CoQ10, Hawthorne extract, increased my fish oil intake, and a garlic supplement all known for promoting healthy cardiovascularity. almost immediately my problem with the heavy chest and slight soreness was gone. now my body has either adapted to the tren a at that dose or these over the counter supplements are helping the issue. something to keep in mind when cycling tren a being that the effects range differently at different doses for everyone.
Do you combine the Tren with Test in one syringe? Or is that not recommended?
yes that would be the ideal method.
You said you ahve done several cycles deca and Dbol included and no pcts have you went to the doctor and checked your test levels?
Over 15 years I've only done about 7 or 8 cycles that ran 8 to 12 wks. Never more than one cycle in a year and I keep my dosages low.
Answer: No I've never had my test levels checked, but I've never had any reason to think I should. I think I might this time, just in case, since I'm experimenting a little out of my league.
Gotta say high five to someone else who grows great on lower doses! I've learned more on this thread than the last three Weeks researching tren. Gotta Live eroids! Folks jump on your shit then bend backwards to help!
I think people should try low dose for as long as they get results. Getting greedy (constantly increasing dosage) seems to just compound the side effects. Not to mention it gets really expensive between buying more juice, and buying more compounds to fight the side effects.
Anoncabergoline....research research brother.... its only the strongest compound lmao
Some information I can use. At least there is a whole word I can look up. Research I can do. Thanks. This is after all why I asked a question to begin with. What happened to the adage that there are no stupid questions.
I would think about running tren ED.
I would probably try tren ED next time, once I know if I can handle the side effects. People say that the ED lasts for two weeks, so if the sides are bad for me, that seems like a long time to deal with it. They say it takes longer to take effect as well, and I already started the Sostenon (Sustanon).
HUH? who ever these people are they dont know what their talking about or you misuderstood! you are using tren ace right?
my bad. I misunderstood. I thought you were recommending ethanate. not every day. I read too fast.
Could I reduce the dosage then to 25 or would you say 50 per day?
I would start low and slowly work your way up. I am @80mg ED but I have few sides but they dont bother me.
yes you can reduce it and that is an ideal dose to start with and even finish with, I run it at 35mg/d with no sides, 50mg/ d I get sides. everyday pinning is much more stable, however you can play with it and see if EOD is good for you
Thanks for the useful advice. My body is pretty receptive to whatever I take as long as I push the diet. One of the benefits with this is supposed to be that it makes food intake more efficient. (for cows anyway) I am doing 4000 calories a day right now, to gain, and I hate it. If I could get the results and eat a little less, that would be super.
At 50mg/EOD you should be fine, however some people even get sides at that dose! I would recommend running tren for only 8 weeks, longer runs are more suppressive in my opinion. PCT has been covered
Thanks man, I appreciate all of the useful input. Would you say to run this for the first 8 weeks or the last 8? Or would you cut the whole cycle to 8?
no sus is best ran for 12, I need to know if your running ace or ethenate tren
Acetate. I responded to the wrong post above. Ethanate is said to last for two weeks, so I wanted to make sure I don't hate it before I try that one. At least if the ACE is unfriendly, it will only haunt me for a few days.
yes you always want to start with ace, so thats good! My personal prefference is to run it toward the end, but thats because I dont respond well to drops in how my body is responding, so cutting out a steroid at week 8 would then leave me craving more, so I cycle it up. 4 weeks sus then add tren.
What about using Nitric Oxide supplements. (A Pre Workout drink)Have you heard of anyone having problems or negative sides?
well if it aint illegal I dont really spend my money on it, and if it comes from GNC I just chuckle! but theres alot of guys at the gym that drink that stuff so it must be doing something to them. If you want something to write home about then hit up some TNE(test no ester) or test suspension, 100mg/preworkout is insane.
Haha believe me bro a few weeks into tren and you will have mood and anger issues, Thor has got to cover with pct. oh and ye get some caber or prami in case of prolactin build up.
you're not kidding lol
just make sure you have caber on hand if you run tren. also AI. typical pct protocol is:
clomid 100/100/50/50
nova 40/40/40/40
Do you take the caber automatically? Or do you have it just in case of sides? How or when do you use it? And do you think I would need it even if I'm only doing 500mg Sust. wk. and 25mg ED of Tren?
I'm not familiar with all of the lingo. Clomid and Nova I know, What is Al.? and Are those weekly dosages of the clomid and nova?
Since I have never done PCT, I also wanted to know when to start. If this is a 12 wk cycle, do I start the following week? or is there a waiting period?
if you run the tren a with sust, you wanna start your pct 10 days after your last shot of sust due to it's long ester compounds. usually people who run tren a run it with test prop similar life (ester). you might be getting 500mgs/weekly from the sust but the mgs per compound is very little. next time you want to stack compounds keep it with similar ester and it will be alot easier to keep track of everything !!
AI stands for aromatize inhibitors, such as amiridex, letro, etc
Are there any side effects from the PCT? Or any two specific compounds that do not work well together?
Not that i experienced, you might get a little emotional during pct but thats normal.
Thank you very much. I do realize that I sound ignorant, but I'm not stupid. I'll pick up the terminology. You guys should realize that abbreviating everything is only helpful if you already know everything. Someone should post a key. Or create a Steroid Rosetta Stone.
No worries brother, we all here to learn. Just hang around here and before you know it you'll be an expert. Also here's a very helpful site: www.steroidology.com
and yes those are weekly doses brother. 100/100/50/50 is four weeks worth. 100mg for 2weeks and 50mg for 2weeks
Oops i miss that part of the question lol !!
Thanks guys. Once again, my bad for asking five questions at once. Good night. You all gave me plenty to think about.