posted Sat, 05/13/2017 - 15:02
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I am 6'5" 300lbs 32 years old. Have been training for a while and am dabbling with the idea of doing a cycle. Would like to get the advise from more experienced people in this area.
Week 1-14 test cyp 500mg once a week
Week 1-10 deca 300mg once a week
armidex .25 every other day until after 2 weeks of last shot of test
PCT 2 weeks after last shot
week 1 clomid 100mg ed nolva 40mg day
week 2 clomid 50mg ed nolva 20mg ed
week 3 clomid 50mg ed nolva 20 mg ed
thanks in advanced for any tips or advice
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You are too fat. When you bulk you will put on more fat and be even fatter than you are. Fat contains aromatase which helps turn your test into estrogen, helping make you a woman and fatter. When you add AAS it will aromatise to estrogen at a faster rate due to your being fat and make you fatter and more female.
When you finish your cycle and are fatter... then you will want to lose fat, and you will lose any of the limited gains you make - and they would be limited by your body fat
You will keep nothing you achieve on cycle. You will waste your time, and anyone else that speaks to you about this. You will waste life, time, gym time, you put wear and tear on your body, you mess your hormones up.... for what....... more fat? become more female?
Think again fella.
I hate when people meg someone's for asking a damn question and trying to get advice. Smh. Isn't this what this site os partially for?...
Read the whole post, bro...he's being a smart ass an unreceptive...that's what will get ya negged...
I see what your saying now. I was only seeing his responses to my posts. I know y'all are good people and mean well.
RustyhookerNegged for negligence. Forums have bled over from the craphole known as cycle logs. Logs is a trash heap. Op isn't here to ask anything. He wanted a cosigner and got it. So its another case of 35 pounds underweight with no knowledge of foods but YOLO!! He's run multiple cycles and the size of any sophomore in high school.
Maybe we should all just advise huge cycles with anyone?
I see what your saying man. It's understandable. I wasn't co signing anyone. I'm the first one to ask bf and then gave some general advice regarding a first cycle.
As far as knowledge of food. I have amy degree AAS dietician, NRAEF dietician, ISSA nutritionist and an ISSA CPT. If anyone understands the implantation of a proper diet, it would be me. Idk if someone else has commented regarding that as I haven't read the comments it I understand where your coming from. It's all around where I live. 145lb kids running a gram of test and 600 tren, hitting the gym twice a week and eating fast food everyday. It's ridiculous anymore. I won't even mention the trainers I have to deal with at the gym I go to. What's form??...
There's going to be order here...always has been...always will be...changes are coming...I can feel it...
Fucking booom.
ScruffGrindrA good idea is to just start slow with test C or E with your first cycle. This should give you good results alone. This also gives you an idea of how you react to the test. You can start stacking with out steroids with your future cycles. But like what others say, your BF is way too high to even start.
all wrong. ,
whats your body fat ???
how long have you been training ???
a pic please of your base ???
and. if you pass the above test only !!
Would you get your face outta your profile pic?
good looking didnt think of that
NotNatural23Bro if your stats are right all you need to do is get to 270 and then I guarantee you come back then with updated stats and everyone will help you. We all say that just cause we are thinking about your health and what problems could happen being since your bf is that high. It is gonna be summer anyways so with that cycle you won't look good for summer time you will be puffy and look fatter then you are. Cause you will retain water so.e even with an AI. But in the end you are gonna do what you want so if u do skip the deca then but I am not saying u should do the cycle just seems like u r bound and determined to do it. Hope you use you brain wisely.
I get it bro I am not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers and I appreciate everyone's input..Everybody has there opinions. Im going Tuesday to get blood work done and I am gonna go from there.
NotNatural23I know your not. Great you are getting bloods done and when you get results feel free to share. Those bloods should vive ypu an idea what kind of health you in. Good luck.
I guess I'll chime in, too. Let's get that BF down to 15% or less before you dive in.
What's your diet like? How's your training?
8am 10 liquid egg whites with oatmeal
10am training and or cardio
1130am 100g protein shake zero sugar 1g carbs per serving
1pm 8oz chicken breast with either red potatoes or broccoli
5pm 8oz chicken breast with either red potatoes or broccoli and rice
8pm protein shake 2 hours before sleep
i train with a trainer 4 times a week and I do circuit training with minimal rest in between circuits typically 45 secs to 1 min 30 rest then days I dont do weight training I do cardio typically treadmill for an hour at a speed of 3 and a incline grade between 18% and 24%
Certainly not a bad diet or regimen, but like I said I'd swap the shakes for food.
I try to eat as much whole foods as possible but again its quicker and easier to do a couple shakes a day. I hate eating so the quicker and faster I can get it over with the better. Especially when I dont eat anything I like anymore it gets redundant. If I can chug 3 out of my 5 meals a day it save me time
NotNatural23i prefer to do cardio on empty stomach in morning. Also after I lift I get around 100 fast acting carbs (dextrose) and whey protein. just didn't see any carbs after you trained.
NotNatural23just eat whole eggs cheaper and better for you. you don't have to have 10 whole eggs but whole eggs are great for you. The whole yolk bad for you is a myth.
It's not that it's bad for you it's that the calories add up really quickly. The yolks are extremely calorie dense, and aren't ideal to be consuming in high quantities while trying to lose weight.
i hear you. I do the liquefied egg whites though because its to hard to get them down any more when i cook them so the egg whites are easier to chug down raw
You'll save money by buying bulk boxes of eggs at wholesale clubs or Walmart them separating the whites yourself. Very easy.
Its just the convenience factor for me..
the protein powder I use is super clean and a blend of 7 different kinds of protein
I guarantee you don't need a blend of 7 different kinds of protein in a shake. Proprietary blend I take it? Bleh. I'd swap it for real food but that's me.
Leave the cycle alone ... continue to focus on your nutrition and training . Your body isn't ready for a cycle yet... have no clue why you won't listen to anyone below when pretty much the general advice was drop your bf and focus on training and diet
because like I said I am not asking for advice on my bf fat percentage like I have explained before. I am asking if I had everything structured properly as far as dosage on the cycle. I get it why I should wait but I know my body I know my health. I dont have high blood pressure I am going to have my cholesterol checked along with everything else and I am gonna take an ai. If that all comes back good I am gonna do the cycle regardless of my bf percentage
You don't need us you seem to have everything figured out ..
Like people much smarter than I have said drop more bf before running anything. It really is good advice and if you run a cycle overweight you will see why. Your estrogen is already going to be higher than it should be now you are going to be adding to that, if you have chest fat it will be harder tell if you develop lumps. And i can tell you from experience e2 can be very hi with no side effects. But if you do run something really just make it a low dose of test. I am finishing up and am very happy I did it this way. You need to understand how your body rracts to test, if you start right out with 3 compounds how will you know what to adjust? And controlling e2 can be tricky. Add in nandrolone and now you have added concerns about prolactin and being 100% shut down and a longer recovery. In my experience, some people on here can be harsh but most genuinely give a shit and want people to succeed. Good luck bro!
I appreciate the feedback. I understand my higher risk of the test converting into estrogen that is why I am going to run the ai throughout my cycle to combat this as well as water retention
Good deal. One thing I ran into was that I had planned on using exemestane throughout but fortunately I had gotten Arimidex before I started. Good thing because I seem to be very sensitive to the Aromasin and had issues with it but as soon as I switched to a-dex....smooth sailing.
Can you complete your stats, please? Is it possible for you to post an unidentifiable pic?
Hes 260 pound with 30 percent body fat and dropped 100 pound in the last yea.
Besides that though he doesnt want advice on anything except how to run the cycle.
no I am not that is someone elses stats that posted on this thread
Fucking troll!
NotNatural23Skip the cycle and if you do anything and I see u mentioned GH then go that route and for you you probably could go lower dose 2ius then go up to 4ius for fat loss and health benefits. Also make sure you run GH at least 6 months to see the best results cause GH take a awhile to show its work. Then before you do a cycle get bloods done and I mean everything possible to make sure you are in good health to run a cycle. Do test only cycle first see how you react , how sensitive you are to estro sides etc. and probably a lower dose of test also say 400mgs.
I was 260+ 30%+bf I cut way down before running a cycle to less than 200 and 17% I think I should have cut more bf I think that I would have gotten a better run out of it.
Congrats on the weight loss though its not easy changing everything about the way you live and eat most can't do it.
Get alot of research in before running you will be happy you did especially since you mention running a nor 19. Hit me up anytime
NotNatural23260LBS at 30 % would give you 182 lbs of fat free body weight. If you lost only say 13% bf then you would be around 226 or so. Not exact numbers. Not trying to be a know it all or anything like that just maybe u did some math wrong or something. Just trying to get a better understanding of it. Your info to get bf % alot lower is definitely the right thing to do considering you probably have some other health problems being that overweight.
I was curious is there a certain bf calculator you guys are using to reverse the numbers?
NotNatural23the easiest way is Say you weigh 200lbs and you are 20% body fat. Well 10% of that weight is 20lbs and another 10% is 20lbs. I usually do this in my head but the way with a calculator is take your weight and multiply it by .8 for the numbers for 20% bodyfat. that will give you 160lbs. So 200 minis 160 is 40lbs. Hopefully this is a little better if you didn't understand. Right now 208lbs at 17% bf is 172.74 lbs of fat free mass so roughly around 36 lbs of fat. +1
Gotcha brother i appreciate the math lesson. I like this formula it truly gives you an accurate account of where you can be and where your at and what it takes to get to your goals
NotNatural23It give you a better look at your overall mass not muscle though cause you have to factor in water weight ,bones , organs , skin and other stuff that is gonna have weight to it. But it does help you with fat mass though. Also depending on what device you use for bf measurements. Heard the electronics can vary 5 % + or - . The best way is underwater pod unless their is something newer
I have been using measurements and then putting them into the navy method calculator. Its not perfect like you said but it definitely gives you a approximate bf%.
Some of the others are way off but the water displacement is the best way I know of also
If you read what I wrote because yes im embarrassed about how much I used to weigh I put+ next to all numbers think about it
I sit now at a very healthy 208 17% because im bulking. Most guys here have seen my picture most have seen my before pic which is horrible.
Just Incase this is Bigmurph maybe you remember him.
NotNatural23Well look at where you are at now and be proud of it. A lot of people can t lose that fat and end up losing out on life because of health problems and many other things related with being obese overweight.
Its very true im very happy that I was able to step on the scale one day and realize that alot needed to change.
Im committed to helping others that are trying to turn there lives around.
NotNatural23I agree. I like to help people on here as much as I can. I don't know everything and will always admit when I am wrong. I try not to be like some who just rip on people or neg people right away if they don't know what they are doing or are asking a serious question in which they need help and may not realize it is a dumb or easy question. Try to educate people that aas are safe if used in a safe and practical way. I don't want people to do dumb shit and die or kill someone so the media or others can blame it on aas and in turn hurts the people using it in a safe way to improve health and quality of their life.