Third cycle: Test, deca, dbol, prov.
1-14 Test E @ 300mg/week.
1-12 Deca @ 400mg/week.
1-4 Dbol @ 30mg ED
1-14 Proviron @ 25mg ED
1-14 HCG @ 500iu 2x/week (read a study somewhere that stated that suppression can begin in as little as two days after administration of AAS, and that running HCG from day one is best)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD (adjust as necessary, have Letro on hand)
Caber .25mg E3D (have prami on hand too)
Typical PCT: clomid 100/100/50/50, nolva 40/40/20/20 (might add Cardarine to the pct so I can eat like a horse and not get too chunky)
My last cycle I ran test @ 500mg and dbol @50mg. It simply wasn't necessary--I blew up like a water balloon with all the sides. Granted, I'm pretty sure the adex I got was bunk. Regardless, I've been reading up on test and deca ratios and it seems quite divided. On one hand, lots of people like to keep test higher then deca. And on the other hand, alot of people swear that keeping test lower than deca works like a charm (Im leaning towards the latter because I know how much I bloat with test). Thoughts?
Also, I have some GHRP-2, CJC-1295, Cardarine, and Ostarine on hand. Ideally, I'd like to gain some quality size while minimizing fat gain. Should I add some cardarine and peps, or just stay with what I got and keep the diet/cardio tight?
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I don't pct I'm on 100mg/wk of Test C. Failure to recover from deca is caused by not letting it clear the system before starting pct, I obviously don't have that problem. How many times have you run deca Mr passive aggressive? I'm not onto something new here fella, just one of the many different ways a guy can run these compounds.
Post a forum and share your experiences...and next time when you recommend dosing of any compound, include your history because that makes a difference when other members start reading your posts...
And whether i have, or havent, used a 19-nor makes no difference when it comes to me standing up for a member who needs correct AAS information.
So you have no first hand experience with deca?
So what you're saying he should run a compound that shuts the system down damn near completely with a low test dosage is what you're saying? And no I haven't done it because I'm not stupid.
This has got to be one of the stupidest fucking things I've seen posted in some time. You don't even have a basic understanding of how these compounds work. You do realize that every single steroid including test shuts your system down.
I think the general rule of thumb was to run test:deca 1.5:1 in order to mitigate the dreaded deca dick problem. Since it would be his first run with deca, I'd think it would be best to run it at this ratio...
That said, running deca higher than test is an alternative dosage I've seen, just as lower tren higher test is one. It's a matter of personal preference I think once one becomes a little more familiar with the compounds.
Maybe ole waterhead needs to post a forum on his experiences and focus on the OPs cycle, rather than debating the issue in someone elses forum...
you know what i am saying??
You just itching to drop some knowledge on the man aren't ya Med?
good to see you back on these forums brother, missed having to race you to new posts!
Well dont run too far...
stick around in this one cuz OP needs to stay on track...
I agree maybe he will leave out the part where his dick wouldn't get hard and all the other deca sides that come with it!
More than likely thats what will happen...i watched this thread long enough...been thinkin about it all day...then i get on here and see where its going....aint gonna have it
I get what he is saying but this dude is no where near experienced enough to fuck around with that. And him saying I'm 100 percent wrong pissed me off. I may have gotten out of hand but fuck. Sad part is look at the ops responses he's following this dudes advice like cattle walking right into a potentially harmful situation... dudes like this don't need to be on here
Upon chatting with MedDx, I have decided to save the deca for a later date.
Thank god! I'm glad you listened to someone who has years of this shit under his belt and good understanding of this game other dude would of had you fucked up
Good luck brother happy gains!
Thanks bro. Decided on Test @ 750mg/wk and Prov at probably 50mg ED. My only concern is that one vial of the deca has an expirary of December 2016 :(. It is my understanding, though, that oils usually stay good well past the printed date if stored in a cool dry place. I also intend on vacuum sealing them.
Honestly that's a question better asked to makwa Irish mack or Mr med I buy my her a month maybe 2 in advance before I'm about to use it so I never have anything past expiration. Me being the person I am I would trash it after expiration but that's just me I'm cautious of expirations and everything including medications and things of that nature. Ask one of those dudes about vacuum sealing and oil preservation
Egos are largely inflated here...even me at times...but that doesnt me someone has to suffer, be ill-advised, and lose all respect for this site and himself, or other members. You did right and your response was spot on!
Lmao yes I realize that but it's fucking testosterone you little twit. If it shuts his system down its still there cause he's got it from an exogenous source. You have no understanding of the compounds telling this dude not run the test higher than the deca to prevent deca sides such as deca dick etc is fucking irresponsible. It may not be a set in stone rule but it's recommended.... gtfo I don't got time for you any pro or seasoned user will tell him the same thing I just told him little cunt!
Your age is showing young man, calling me names won't change the fact that you are clueless. You've run a single cycle with deca in it and you reacted poorly and now you are an expert? You haven't run a successful deca cycle but you are trying to tell this guy how to do it? I've run it 3 times, once test higher and twice test lower. With test higher I had more side effects. With test at a whopping 250mg/wk I get no sides and my libido is through the roof. I will continue to recommend test lower than deca because I've done it and works.
You do realize running test at 250 and deca around 400 is normal practice so you are not a special snowflake right? Running deca at 200 and test lower is a recipe for disaster, running deca at 400+ requires more test. You SHOULD NOT run more of a 19-nor then test EVER if you surpass a specific marker because you only substitute one side effect for another, i.e no high estro but high prolactin, or vice versa. Did you get blood on your high deca low test cycle to see how your body responded if you did higher then 400 with only 250? a million dollars says you did not and just because you "felt" like everything was fine you were probably building up and/or on the verge.
I understand your experience of 2 cycles of high deca low test might have ran great but if you did not get bloods to prove they were perfect then you truly have very little to stand on as proof. In my small time experience I tried running high deca low test and it was a disaster as far as libido. I tried deca at 500 and test at 250 and I could get it up, but it was as soft as cotton candy and I was lucky to keep it hard for more then 5 minutes. Next cycle I upped the test to 1:1 and had zero problems with my standard AI's AND BLOODWORK. Save the advanced experience to people who are more advanced because like others said if he gets fucked on your advice you are fine and he is not.
You're saying my age is showing while you're giving this guy bad info. It's his first time running deca and your telling him to do it the wrong way. The cycle was successful the post cycle is what bit me in the ass. Read what I posted instead of assuming. And I'm pissed off at you for giving this dude info that could potentially fuck him up... there's no reason he can't stick to the program and run it with higher test just in case he is sensitive to it like I am. But here you come saying I'm 100 percent wrong when in fact neither one of us are wrong. You jumped then gun sir all I did was fire back. You obviously have little expierence.. this is some YOLO shit. My as well tell the dude to run tren masteron and anavar while you're at it
Good to know. I'll stretch the Pct out to 5 weeks.
Bro . You are going to pin 300 mg test and 400 deca . Or you did a mistake . And you blew up because you didn't take any AI or mentioned it in your cycle log . Look to the rato 2:1
And if you don't like to blew up used Adex instead of aro . Your pct look solid .
I took an AI, but I mentioned I'm pretty sure it was bunk.
bigmurphOne thing im going to reccomend is only running your hcg for only the last 8wks. Prolonged hcg use is bad enough 14 wk even at a low dose isn't good. Use it right up to pct so with your cycle above run until wk 16 with hcg start at wk 8 after your last shot of hcg start pct the mon of next week.
I personally use it at 500iu split 250iu 2xawk
X2...good advice..
Thanks for the advice. I'll start HCG later in the cycle.