posted Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:16
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Third Cycle, tell me what ya think ?
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1-4 Dbol
1-4 Test P 100mg EOD
1-12 Deca 250mg 2x/EW
1-14 Test E 250mg 2x/EW
14-18 Pct Clomid 50mg ED
thinking of adding winny towards the end, tell me what you guys think..
Stats
32
6'
248
BF% 18
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cdaddy7I agree with GS trade the dbol for tbol and def drop the deca back to 300-400mg and i would get an ai to run during the cycle and add nolva to the pct. Leave winny out bc ur bf is too high rite now to really see any benefits from it besides putting unecessary stress on ur liver. Winny really only burns fat down if u already have a low bf% like 12 or lower. It's a misconception that winny will shred u with such high bf. Tweak the diet and cardio and see if you can get it down more
Winny is better at unbinding testosterone via sbhg routes. ;)
But yes better at lower bf levels.
I will get the AI but I don't want to use it unless I truly need it.
You'd better research what that ai does.......you will need it.
I got good results running 250mg/wk deca with test e at 500-750mg/wk. I had a micro tear in my shoulder a few years back so the deca helped oil my joints up. With a lower dosage, you can still get some leaner gains from deca. I had the good ole shit from AB though! ;)
Thanks, cdaddy
Listen to GS, I wouldn't run Dbol and Deca at 18% bf. I'm 6'3" 240lbs. My bf% is in "check" now but could always be lower! When I was around your bf% a few years ago, I ran dbol and deca with some test cyp (I was an idiot, I know!) I jumped from 240 to 265 in no time! I looked like i stuck a garden hose in my mouth! I stopped when I got a check up and realized I had slightly high bp that wasn't normal for me. Not sure what you are going for...maybe some npp, instead of deca and dbol. Won't carry as much water?...
STATS?? Why is there empty advice given? Maybe dude is 17¿?
lol age 32
Ur right... my bad
What are your stats?
6'
248
BF%18
Ya might look into cutting Down first before blastoff to avoid issues down the road/incycle. Clean foods and cardio. Deca then can help ya cut further with clean eating of course. Pushing the diet just so after pct you keep as much of the gains as possible. Also, id avoid the dbol this time. It does have a good place further down the road but for now it will add bloat etc and make your cycle difficult. Prop would help with clean gains imo.
1-4 prop 100eod
1-12 deca 250 (at this level it will help cut and 2:1 ratio)
1-14 test e/cyp 500/split mon/thur
16-20 pct
Clomid...mgs/day for the week....100....100...50...50
Nolva 40....40....20.....20
Ai during cycle when estro appears.....if aromasin it's 12.5mgs/dy.......adex is .25mgs eod..
Caber on hand to fight prolactin if it pops up.
Personally I'd run test and Winny. Dry solid gains.
1-4 prop 100eod
1-12 test e 500/split
10-14 Winny 50mgs day/split stop Winny two days before pct
14-18 pct with the nolva/clomid
Ai with the adex or aromasin from when estro pops up til two days before pct
You'll need a lower bf to look solid either route. Food is your key.
Thanks I appreciate the advice. once i'm done with this cycle my concentration is going to be getting the BF down to 10-12% and you are right food is the key. Since I have been eating better my overall sense of well being has improved even before starting this cycle.
Regardless of ur age ur BF is pretty high for Dbol and Deca. Both Dbol n Deca will increase water retention and at ur BF% the chances of BP issues are high. Also the higher the BF the higher the chances of bad Estro sides. I'm not telling you not to run this cycle but you should be aware of the risks. Would you consider running Tbol in place of Dbol.
cdaddy7Great option tbol for dbol
deca and test-e shouldnt be the same dose, test should be higher, Pct dont start till week 17-two weeks after last test shot, add some nolva to PCT and get an AI for on cycle like adex. Dont add winny, well I wouldnt not with deca, whats your BF%?
I wasn't going to use nolva and I was thinking of getting the adex just to have onhand. My BF% is at 18 right now.
Will you include nolva for pct?
i'm not sure yet whether i'll use nolva.