posted Mon, 02/20/2012 - 12:56
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Third Cycle Advice
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I'm 33 years old, 165lbs and just under 18% body fat. Diet is g2g.
Goals: Single digit body fat, Weight 170lbs and gradual realistic gains through out life.
Third Cycle
Weeks 1-3: 200mg Masteron/Primobolan/300mg Test E
Weeks 4-7: 300mg Masteron/Primobolan/400mg Test E
Week 8: 200mg Masteron/Primobolan/500mg Test E
Look forward to hearing some useful input.
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tread-mI agree with virtually everything here but I would add, you should get you bloods done before this run and include estradial. I would guess it is up from the get here so you may need to run aromasin in the cycle or maybe open and close with it to keep estrogen and shbg in place. The bf hinders your cycle and as RN said you need to focus on diet but as you do it is much more beneficial to have estrogen in check. Without that you have several things working against you. At least with those in check you only have the bf to fight and its not 2 steps forward and 1 step back . I like the "simplify the cycle" below. RD is saying keep it simple and get your shit together in the KITCHEN and gym. Kitchen is where every cycle succeeds or fails. You can do cardio until you're blue in the face 8 days a week and if your kitchen sucks it meant nothing. There is no reason btw you can't get that bf in check in the first 30 days of your cycle. Its ball busting kitchen and gym dialed in like you're walking the Olympia stage in 4 weeks. Its sucks ass, you're hungry , you're pissed, you're cranky but its 30 days of that rather than stretch this out for a year. The good news is you can get back to some better eating in 30 days and the next 8 weeks of your cycle rock. Then you actually have an excuse to run a closer such as the primo or var, tbol etc.
beavisMy advise bud is to take test-E with maybe D-bol kick start and a good PCT. Stay simple I'm your age but heavier and a bit taller. And I agree ALOT with the NOID.
Well bro im gonna tell you a couple things you may not like, the first is that if your 165 and 18% your diet isnt even close to G2G, and im gonna take a leap here and say your training aint great either. Because with those stats there aint no room for muscle, unless your 5'2...Next your cycle is terrible, why are you ramping up and down the dosages? just do 500mg/w test from beginning to end, you can run the mast at 300 and the primo to. As BB said though run an AI such as adex....You need to learn how to eat and do cardio to meet your goals!
Thx for a truthful response. What kind of Test e dose would you recommend for a 12 week program on a max cardio routine with calisthenics?
500mg/w pinned twice, Mon-thur or every 3.5 days. Remember cardio is best when diet is on point, if you dont got that dialed then thats should be your focus BEFORE you do this cycle. when you run your cardio do it first thing in the morn before you eat, I do cardio only when im starving so food is not my source of energy, my body is forced to use fat properties to keep me going! Honestly bro you wouldnt be the first to run a cycle with that high of bodyfat but I highly recommend that you get it down to around 14% to get the best out of this cycle.
Are you running test e only or original cycle?
Just E.
I think anywhere between 400-600mg/wk is ok. But i'm no guru. Thats what i would do
Do not take mast as a estrogen inhibitor, thats not what it is. Although it will help a little its still not an AI. Skip the mast on this one, if you do go ahead and run it you will not see much of anything at your current bodyfat. If i was in your shoes i would run a test only cycle and focuse on dropping that body fat via diet and cardio.
Bodybuilder, I'm fully decided on dropping the Mast. Got a couple good books by William Llewellyn and read about the idea for Mast as good gear to stack with test for it was developed in fighting breast cancer and so on. I've had this arimidex for a while and need to use it. Should I keep the Test E dosage low to keep sides down? 250mg? 500mg?
Test e at 500mg is fine, just run it for at least 10 weeks. You can run the adex at .25 eod from the get go and if you still get sides you can slightly up the dose as needed.
Ive never used masteron but I believe at your bf% and with such a short cycle length It would just be a waste
Johnwayne, Yeah Masteron requires a single digit bf%, that I've read. Was curious as to it being a waste? Utilizing it as an estrogen inhibitor is my main thought process. Would that still be wasting it?
It wouldn't be enough to stop Gyno, youre still going to want to use armidex or the like to stop excess estrogen. But everyone is different maybe someone that has some hands on with mast can help out.
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Im no expert but isn't 8 weeks a bit short for test e? What kind of feedback are you looking for (cycle, diet, training). You want to gain 5lbs of lean mass and drop bf. I think your training and diet are going to be more important then the gear. The gear will do its job. What does your training regemin look like?
Nitti, I was thinking 8 weeks for test e was a little short myself. Feedback I'm looking for is exactly that. Some say to be conservative and to keep cycles around 8 weeks. But,then there are some gear that need more time to work its way into the system. My training consists of max cardio routines 3 days a week and weights 3 days a week. Diet is Paleo and has been for over 6 months now. What did you think about Primo and Test E stacked and dosage? I might hold off on the Masteron.
8 weeks if using short esters if your using long like you are i would push it to 10-12 weeks