+ 2 TEST,TREN, MAST, EQ
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6'... Not changing any time soon :'(
195lbs... up 12lbs
8-9%... down2-3%
About to start the latter part of my cycle. First was NPP 200mg /3days with Prop @100mg, and 50mg Dbol ED. I was on that for a month and some with a sold 5-6lb gain of nothing but muscle and strength. I then bled into a Deca 400mg/w, EQ600/w, @ 250 Test E/w. I front loaded Deca at 800mg and EQ at 1200mg. I'm about 1.5 months into that with one last shot before merging into the below mentioned portion of my cycle. Currently
I'm up about 12lbs of muscle with a drop of about 2-3% in BF. I know its kinda relative due to it being a percentage so more muscle will mathematically equal less BF but I am visibly leaner. My strength is up greatly on all standard lifts. I generally rate strength on the big lifts of Squat (up 35lbs...315lbs @ 4x6 w/45 sec rest), Dead lift (up 50lbs...405lbs @ 3x4 45w/sec rest), Power Clean (up 20lbs...245lbs @ 3x2w/ 45 sec rest), and Bench (up 20lbs...265lbs @ 3x4 w/45 sec rest). Some of this strength is due to orals I received on promo so threw in the middle of the mix as a pre-workout. Some Drol for 5 days @ 20 up to 40mg which was rough. Bloat with massive pumps and strength and aggression. Var which is fun but I needed up to 70mg if not 105mg (35mg tabs) to get great pumps and aggression. And I got a little Dbol which I hit at 40mg which treats me so right. Pumps, strength, endurance, enough aggression with little to no bloat for me. So the Drol was consecutive days, and the Dbol & Var have been alternating days and occasionally combine purely for experimental purposes. After all they were free. I can imagine these helped my gains as gear in the blood is gear in the blood, but I have not been running them as much as experimenting. So I don't attribute more than maybe 2lbs to the orals.
Next part of my journey: ABORTED!!! due to potentially deadly levels of stupidity.
Test- 300+mg/w (I say + cuz i ad a 50mg Prop kick in for the libido boost)
EQ 600-800mg/w (will start at 600 and maybe try to push more but everything else add to a lot already)
Tren-e 300mg/w
Mast-e 400mg/w
Update:
OK so I got a lot of resounding WTF you idiot which was heard. I will abort the this plan. I thought the mixing of compounds at this level was common but obviously not in one cycle. Which I see now was stupid and part of me just getting ballsy with what I'm willing to experiment with. I will finish my cycle with the current compounds I am on which is DECA, EQ, & TEST. I will also no longer take orals lightly which was easy as you just pop them and its seems too easy, but they are still powerful compounds that are not to be screwed around with.Thanks for your advice.
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How do you expect to put up a legitimate review of those orals from the promos when you are taking them willy nilly?
Good man for taking all this in the right way. Nobody here wants to flame but we do want to keep you safe. Good attitude you've shown.
+3 bro you took the pounding like a man and made the right decision as the outcome... i wish you all the best for the future and a safer journey purely from your own intelligent final proper view of the lifestyle
Big Thanks.
just a few thoughts why so many compounds? also if I read it correctly you ran Decca and front loaded it for a around 2months? im sure you understand that decca is a slow acting steroid and takes at least 12-14 weeks to get the full potential out of that compound. then you switched to tren E for the remainder of the cycle? what are you trying to accomplish with this correct me if I am wrong but to me its just a bunch of roids there together with out a clear cut plan of attack or ultimate goal. this cycle could be improved and maximized with half the compounds and a strickt diet.
The goal was to have my cake and eat it too which is obviously BS. I front loaded the Deca and EQ to get my bloods up quicker in hope to achieve the benefits quicker, thinking it would make a cycle like this work. But this is very flawed thinking I see. No bulk then cut. Pick one or the other and do it 100% is what I'm hearing.
honestly my go to cycle is TEST E/ DECCA/ DBOL.... then if I wanna cut I just do it with diet quicker and cheaper and better for you.
Thanks.
I hear and understand that the blend of a bulk/ cut is a bad idea. I thought I could do both within a four month cycle. But it sounds like I should just stick with the Deca, Test, @ EQ for the 4 maybe 5 months and call that the cycle? I'm confused on how being on 2 months of Deca, and EQ is supposed to make me super human and lift 4 x my body weight. On the days that I tried orals I did gain a boost but I never ran either one long except the Dbol for the first 25 days of my cycle. Thanks for all the input. Always learn better from mistakes. Good thing I have not made the mistake yet and this is why I asked for advice before. Except the grab bag of orals which in relation to actual change in my body was pointless, other than the kick in the nuts to my liver I'm sure. So lesson learned there. Otherwise stick the course with Deca and EQ and call it good?
I just want to clarify in my mind exactly what u are doing now?
Is that what u are currently doing? If that's it, time to make some adjustments bro, especially if you're gonna run this for 16-20 weeks. I think your diet needs some work too. Steroids work off food. It's not just about macros, bro, bulking is about calories and I've never achieved a perfect dry bulk with absolutely 0% fat increase. But, that's just ME.
I am currently on Deca 400 mg/w, EQ 600 mg/w, and Test 200 mg/w. I am welcoming any diet advice. I don't like to just shovel food as I feel gross and bloated.
Why are u running Test so low on a bulker? Someone must have advised you. I'm all ears as to the reason for this one.
I Believed That Test Is Included As A Functional Base. So I Have Normal Function On That And Thought The Extra Compounds Are The Bulker. So I Don't Want To Much Free Test In My System To Convert. Even WithThe Use Of An AI. I Have Less Acne With No Real Sexual Sides That 50Ml Prop On The Mix Doesnt Help With.
I Believed That Test Is Included As A Functional Base. So I Have Normal Function On That And Thought The Extra Compounds Are The Bulker. So I Don't Want To Much Free Test In My System To Convert. Even WithThe Use Of An AI.
What???? Dude, ya, on Tren, yes. You can lower your test all the way down to a TRT dose and run Provi to increase free Test. That is because of the AR binding affinity of Tren.
Deca and EQ don't have that sort of binding affinity at all - u want as much free Test circulating as humanly possible and let your AI manage E2. Actually, the total Test number doesn't tell u much - tells u your gear isn't bunk - the free Test number is what we care about.
Why do u think people make such incredible gains on Test only cycles?
BTW, if you want mass and strength u r gonna pull in some water - that water, even though it is short lived, will add to your strength to enable you to push bigger weights that will help the muscles grow. U R also not gonna keep your BF ready for a photo shoot at all times on a bulker. Macros are important, yes, but so are calories. U gotta eat big to get big - ever heard of that expression. Relying on EQ for a typical mass gaining cycle is gonna be disappointing. I use it and like it, but not on a big bulk.
It's 2:30 here - gym closes at six on Sunday - gotta get my workout in. I'd like to keep this thread in public so it benefits more people but feel free to send me a FR so if you have some bizzaroland type question u can PM me and I'd be happy to help best I can.
Nice. That Makes Sense. I Learned A Lot FromThat .I Will Knock It Up. 400Mg/W ?
Better, but I am concerned about your gear load - that would bring it up to 1,400 mg / wk. I'm walking out the door - I'll be back tonight around 8:30 PM Eastern. Send me a PM. I want you to succeed without wrecking your health bro. Seems like u got a lot of passion but u are not getting the guidance u need with respect to chemicals. For example, did anyone tell u that EQ has the lovely side effect of potentially raising your red blood cell count to dangerous levels along with your blood pressure? Or did you get the advice that it is so kind and gentle a compound, there are no worries with it at all? When was the last time u did labs?
Gentle :-[ It Read Like A Good Addition As A Boost To Heavier Compounds. But When Reading Eq Dose People Are Saying High And Long.800_1000Mg/W For 12+ Weeks.
you do realize that Test is the king of Kings when it come to bulking right?
I Know It's Big But I Thought That's Why We Had Synthetics Cuz They Are The Stronger Addition To The Body Other Than Test.
nothing is better or stronger than a good quality Test its risk v/s reward with me and most others
That's Valid And Makes Sense.
Always on a liver protector. The orals were small samples sent to me which I am no longer on and took 5 doses of each at most. Yes I see the hazard in this but it was more to see how these performed. I eat 5 meals a day consisting of a total of 200+g of protein. Each meal has a 3:1 ratio of carbs to protein. All carbs are from fruits and vegetables. The only dairy I get is milk in my protein shake and some ice cream here and there. I shoot mainly for managing my macros than counting calories. I train 5-6 days a week with three days of High intensity cardio and the rest undulated from heavy lifting for some weaks to lighter high rep dynamic movements. The Nandralone is a start that will take me into my Tren. I don't like running Tren long cuz it it so intense. So I have started with the Nandralone shot ester and Dbol to quick start the cycle. I then dropped the short esters into the long cuz I don't like to pin so much. was off Dbol for about a week then at this point got orals on promo and tried the Drol as a pre-workout. Then no orals for a week, and then tried the Var and the Dbol. Have used both 3 times. Have not used orals within the past week. Within a week I will have my last shot of the Deca, EQ, and Test. I will let this settle before trading the Deca for Tren. The Mast was something a buddy got me and I wanted to give it a try at the end of this cycle. The beginning was meant to be a less side ridden cycle into a more side prone cycle. As well as Tren works the sweats and insomnia isn't fun so I don't want to be on that roller coaster for too long. The goal of the second run is to be more effective in the BF% drop while maintaining if not gaining some muscle. Thus the Mast. Last cycle ended early December and lasted 2 months with all short esters. I had to abort due to job opportunities that needed me to stay at a specific size. I did PCT with HCG, then into Clomid, and Torem. After Chems ran D-asperic with some Trib to help recovery. all took about 3 months then after 2 weeks off all and blood to make sure I was at good levels I began this cycle.
Bro, u don't bulk and cut on the same cycle. Your moving from Test / NPP / Dbol (put in deca instead of NPP and you have the standard bulker) to Test / Tren / Mast (the standard cut stack).
Now for some honesty. You are 6' 195. You're skinny bro. I saw your self pic. Looks good for a natural lifter. Really it does. And the weights u r using are a testimony to that fact (being skinny) - 315 squat? What are u gonna build with that? Certainly not your legs. 265 bench - u can't mean that - must be a typo. 405 dead lift? 405? On all those fucking chemicals? What? These are not things to post up as a source of pride, bro.
You're running a 16 week cycle and u a proposing on the cutting side of it using 300 + 700 +300 +400 = 1,700 mg of gear and u want us to cosign this? Not in this lifetime.
Drop the EQ - 10 weeks of EQ ain't gonna do shit.
So, now were at Test / Tren / Mast (300/300/400) = 1,000 mg / wk.
I would LOVE to see the diet u r using on this train wreck.
Good Luck Bro.
GearHead
You can FR me if u want, perhaps we can have a little "come to Jesus" discussion.
Too much shit bro...i hope you are taking liv52, NAC, and or milk thistle with all of this mixed overloaded orals bullshit, because your liver hates you...whats your goal? Whats your diet look like?....Leaner and stronger because you dont need all this shit to get there...just saying
Sure you've got enough gear here?
I'm assuming I'll be seeing you in stage by the look of these cycles? Unnecessary and irresponsible IMO. If you want to run stuff like this I'd suggest you don't put it in such obvious view of young inexperienced users.
In all seriousness I'd love to hear why you feel this gear is necessary?
I dont care who you are talking too........... what you have laid out there with every compound known to man and switching and changing them around like playing cards is pure fkn BS my man.
You clearly have NO fkn clue what you dealing with.... all i see is ROIDS,ROIDS, and more fkn ROIDS with zero mention of diet or training.
To summarise here... your plan is a load of BOLLOCKS.
YES i am harsh because you MoFoS infuriate me with your cobbled together bullshit plans then post in here all chirpy like its something special and we say WOW!!......... YES we are all saying WOW but for the all the wrong reasons.
Get your head together man before you create FUBAR on yourself.
Ok my plan is BS. So I wont follow this plan. Thanks for the lashings. I see now that this is obviously more dangerous than I believed. Honestly as a read around the web I see stuff like this a bit and figured why not. But obviously that was short sited and dangerous.
All those orals in one cycle. That's a little to much. Your liver enzymes are probably off the charts. I would think about a strong pct. Or if you are trt then stay on your low dose of test. but other than that come of all the gear before you ha e renal failure or other health issues.
Looks like a trainwreck to me. I think youve lost all perspective of what's healthy and gonna keep you that way for short term goals.
Your gonna have to come off at somepoint, rather it be on your own grounds than laid up in ICU and you've no choice.
Good point, I think I have been getting bolder with what I'm willing to try and that can have big repercussions. Thanks for the reality check.
It seems to be you're looking for quick results in a hobby that quality results don't come easy.
Also, you should have a more set plan then a little of this and a little of that.
Finally, you speak of no supporting drugs such as an AI or anti-prolactin. Nor do you speak of post cycle therapy (if you ever plan on coming off test).
You should be concerned of your own long term health before gaining a few pounds of muscle.
That's True. I Am On All Recommended Supporting Chems.Just Started Some Light Hcg (160iu) Eod To Take Me Into Pct WithThe Regular Meds. Month Of Chem Pct And Month Of Herbal Pct Is My Regular Protocol. Then Depending On How Long The Cycle Was I Take That Many Months Off.
So looking at your pics you were already on tren back in December. This is so irresponsible to stay on cycle this long and continuing to stay on.. SMH
I came of that cycle early with a complete and successful PCT.
Wow that makes this even more crazy plus one for the good detective work
Wow, this is crazy bro. I feel bad for your liver and the rest of your internal organs.
Holy shit that's a lot of compounds u have prop, npp,dbol,DECA,test e,drol,var,tren e and ,mast.your cycle what five to six months long? On your next part u are throwing in multiple things u have never tried think u are really making a mistake.I'm out let one of the pro try to figure this out