TEST/NPP/MAST/VAR CYCLE ADVICE
Now ive ran all these compunds except for Npp just not all at once.. (ive ran decca before just not the npp version)
My question is what would be a good dose you think for these? Read lots of articles and im sure as you can imagine got a lot of mixed opionions from having the test lower around 300 a week and mast and npp from 400-600 and letting the mast and npp do the work to having the test slightly higher then both compounds.. so here's what I've come up with and here's what i have to work with
Test cyp 500 wk
Mast e 400 a wk (may bump to 600 towards the last month)
Npp 400 a week
Anavar 50mg a day
I also have proviron an was gonna run that at 50ED for 30 days...this will be a 12 week cycle i have aromasine, caber, and some letro in case shit gets really bad.. i also would like any recommendations on if i should need to run aromasin and at wjat dose seems that im running masteron and masteron also acts as an AI... any and all input is welcome and valued thanks.. incase you're one of those dudes that needs my stats im
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ESoony556how was it brother
In my opinion, i would give your body a rest from the 19-nor. I know it looks promising and fun, but keeping a cycle simple is safer and better for you in the long run. So, hold the npp and var for your next run. TC, mast e, and provi should be enough to get you the results that you want without challenging your endo system at 29.
Now, with that out of the way, diet comes into play. When your calories and macros are spot on, and you are continuously titrating them based off your results, your cycle is a win-win.
You need 2123 cal/d to maintain and 3185 cal/d with activity. While on the combo AAS stack i mentioned above, 3500-3700 is a reasonable amount of calories to begin, along with the 350/300/150 (p/c/f) macros. The calories gives you room to bump if needed. And, the carb intake is offset enough from protein to allow some muscle definition and size, especially if your workout routine is suited for the AAS and meal plan...this is just an idea that you could consider before using a19-nor again, along with Var, which may shut you down forever.
Doses shouldnt be any more than standard cycle doses, until you respond with some info from the other members in this thread.
Feel free to post diet and pic, too... thank you, sir....
Thanks man appreciate you taking the time for the feedback, I haven't taken a 19 nor compound for over a year sonmy body definitely has had a break from it the last time i did var an mast i ended that late november.. i only have enough proviron to last me for a month and i was just using it till the mast kicked in since from what incan see proviron and mast are very similar..
How did your body respond to the nandro decano? And, what was the dose, frequency and length of time used?
Also, what does your cycle history look like...can u post it so we can see your compounds used and in what doses?
My body responded pretty well last time i ran decca
My most recent cycle was test cyp500/mast e 400/ anivar 40mg ran that for 10 weeks i also bumped the mast ro 600 in the last 3 weeks but started to have some crazy insomnia..
Whats the goal of this cycle? I see var in there with nandrolone, typically used for bulks, and var is not, but i have been wanting to run a prop npp var cutter for a long time. The fullness the npp brings even with low cals is insane. But at 10% bf at 215 your in prime condition to add some size, no need to cut when youre already 10% bf. So whats the goal?
Goal is lean mass last time i stacked var, mast and test i put on 10 pounds of lean muscle it is great..
X2 re: goal....i want some npp now...
bigmurph+1 on your advice brother thats why your the med.
Im about to start my cycle soon my npp is on the way just waiting on caber and prami going to get both try prami first if its not for me atleast I will have the caber as backup
bigmurphThe npp will shut you down so make sure you kick start with prop or start it around wk3-4.
Npp or deca same both shut me hard but npp leave faster the body . He don't have to suffer from it long as a deca .
bigmurphYes but at the beginning he is going to shut down instantly so he should prop kick and stop npp early and prop taper
Already got my levels up for the npp i been at 300. Mg test cyp for a month because i wanted to avoid getting shut down
So are you TRT?
Yes im TRT
29 and are on trt? Why?
bigmurphGood call
RustyhookerStart the npp later ;)
Not much to add til op answers all you guys. Doses need adjusting imo
He has 30 days of provi....i dont know if thats at 25mg/d, or 50mg. But, it would be good to have the provi unbind, while his test levels are built...and if he has both DHTs on board, mast e could stay around 300-350/wk...minimizing those sides and using 320 of Saw Palmetto.
RustyhookerThats where folks are so different. Im on sust 875 and mast at 400 with no ai. Others though get attacked by estro. I think at 500 he would crash estro with the combo. His prior bloods on deca would be awesome indicator. Provi tail end or tbol unbind. I do like the provi. Its night and day just keeping sbh down. Keeping it simple and hell enjoy it.
Saw palmetto...yes!
Yea, i agree. And, with him being TRT, that changes my idea about his cycle plan, too.
Sounds like he would benefit from a true (factoring in loss/conversion) TC 750mg/week, giving him plenty of room not to crash estro with the dht stack. So, 1000mg/week x .77 (loss) = 770mg/week (divided dose) would give enough room?
Hypothetical idea for OPs cycle:
-TC 750mg/wk divdo (wk 1-12)
-ME 300-350mg (wk 1-12)
-Provi 25-50mg ed/eod (wk 3-10) depending on suppy and stretching out...
-npp 300mg/wk (wk 3-10) a true 300
-var 50mg ed (wk 6-12) or pulsed 2 wk on/off for wk 1-12 to keep body guessing and changing a:a ratio.
-caber
-liver supps daily
-AI of choice on hand prn estro issues
-saw palm as noted
-bloods
-correct foods for goals
-gym time
Like i said this is hypothetical and a hefty stack of compounda that would make some vets cringe.
Awesome advice thank you! So being that I TRT its easier to crash my estro when running a cycle? I've noticed since ive been TRT that my estro flairs up easier, last time i ran mast e at 400 test cyp 500 and var 50 mg a day my estro was still flairing up and my buddy couldn't believe it..
No. You crash your estrogen when you use too much of a drug, or drugs, containing anti-aromatase properties in relation to a drug's dose, frequency and esters that produce estrogen upon aromatizing.
Because you have built a level that continues to aromatize. So, you will see and feel the effects quicker than normal.
How is your rate of aromatization with the 300mg you have been administering?
Are you aiming towards the low dose side and incorporating each compound in the cycle? Just gettin an idea what direction you are heading?
bigmurphThis is also true
Good info...
bigmurphThanks brother
X2, just went though this myself. Def need a prop kicker, that npp is gonna reach peak plasma levels at day 10-14 max while the test cyp is gonna take 4-5 weeks, alot of time to have little to no test in your body and alot of nandrolone, which equals ed problems. believe me, the first 3 weeks of my cycle wasnt fun and I was running a prop kicker, it just wasnt giving the desired higher test to nandro ratio, plus some estro and prolactin issue.
bigmurphGame i need to talk to you about this im going to pm you im about to get back on and I thought that the prop kick would be enough.
It should be bro, I dont usually run dbol cause it murders my appetite and gives me bad acne. Ive ran the same cycle many times without dbol, no dopamine agonist, and had no problems but this time i added dbol and didnt account for the insane rate of conversion to estrogen, which cause my prolactin levels to spike due to the sky high estrogen. A dose of caber and a few doses of adex I was back to normal. Usually I can run alot of test and nandrolone with just a 300mg ew prop kicker and start with no ai, then add 25mgs provi, then go to 50, and then 6 weeks in or so ill add a low dose adex and have a crazy sex drive and everything be working fine but like i said i didnt account for the dbol. I should have started 50mgs of provi and .25mgs of adex 3 times ew from day one. Lesson learned.
Stats
Age: 29
Height: 6'1
Weight: 213
BF: 10%
Your stats in your profile don't match your post. Which ones are correct? And before we get into cycle advise - what's the goal here? What will your training and diet look like to reach it? You say you have run all the compounds before as well as deca. You're 29 so just how many cycle have you run? Have you got a baseline and current blood results you can share with us? Lastly what will your PCT look like? Let me know and I'll be happy to share my thoughts on the plan.
I expanded on this statement a little up above to get some clarity on his cycle, compounds and doses....
Excellent brother. The more colour here the better we can guide.
Plus, OP is going to need pre cycle bloodwork for sure. That will be the deciding factor whether, or not, he is in the category to cycle and PCT. He may not have fully from recovered the nandro decano.
Exactly. It can take ages to recover from those 19nors. I know it did for me and I'm and old man now :-p
Thats true...
i will be checkin back in later. I will be a little busy today...
X2 on goal and good info for OP to be redirected back to rationale regarding cycle plan...