posted Fri, 01/22/2016 - 07:19
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TEST & TREN - Need your input for a first time steroid user!
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Hi guys,
I'm new to the site and this is my first topic. Glad to be a part of this online community.
I need some input on a cycle for a first time steroid user. Cycle is below:
10 week cycle running Test & Tren at the same time. Pinning Mondays & Thursdays.
Test E - Two 125mg pins per week totaling 250mg per week
Tren E - Two 100mg pins per week totaling 200mg per week
Any opinions, tips, advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all!
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Similar to the aforementioned, I'm inclined to agree with the notion of beginning a basic test only run to see how you react. Adding multiple products from the outset will make it difficult to narrow down potential issues associated with those compounds that you're unable to tolerate.
Drop the tren u are definitely not ready. Do more research bro. There is a ton of knowledge on this site and a bunch of really good guys willing to help. Trust me you are not ready for steroids I can tell from just what u posted. Research research research brother.
Hey thanks for all the input fellas. Much appreciated. I'll play on the site for a while before I bother you guys again
You feel like your natural potential has been reached according to your profile. Your stats:
Stats
Age: 30
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 180
BF: 18%
If you've done the research you claim to have, we don't need to explain to you why this cycle is ridiculous.
Even at the lower doses? The whole point of me asking for advice was to get information to make an informed decision. Yes, I said I've read a ton but just maybe I don't know everything. So I don't understand why you couldn't give your two cents. I'm just looking for help.
Why haven't I given you my two cents? I have, I told you it's ridiculous. I also implied to you that your "reached my natural potential" comment was incorrect. I personally think you should build a better base than you have, but I think your impatience may make that difficult.
You're on a website filled with tons of information, what's wrong with a beginner cycle? Why are you different? You weigh 180lbs, yet you're talking about running advanced cycles with no experience at all. Let's turn this around, what have you researched that suggests what you're proposing is a sensible idea?
You're a beginner, run a basic cycle. Better still don't run anything until you've built a base
Ok maybe I should give a little more background. The reason for me listing the cycle above is this...
A friend and I each ordered through a mutual friend. We were told it was a 10 week cycle of Test E @ 500 mg per week. When it was delivered to us, it was a bottle of Test E and and bottle of Tren E. I was upset because of the things I've read about Tren being very strong and the side effects. Being my first cycle, I didn't want to jump into the strongest compound out there. The guy we bought it from has taken two cycles in his life and both were the exact cycle listed in my original post. After him telling me about his experience with it, it started to ease my mind just a little but still not comfortable. I was comfortable with a cycle of test but I was not comfortable with the Tren. This is why I wanted opinions. As far as eating and building a bigger base. Man, I've done everything I can in the gym and the kitchen to put on significant mass and I'm just not making progress. I've eaten everything in sight, both clean and shit foods. I've trained as hard as I can for a few years now. Switched up training splits, volume, intensity, all of it. The only change that seems to happen is my BF % going up in the "off season".
I guarantee I can put weight on you. Depends if you're prepared to do what it takes? You want help, drop me a PM.
Give this an honest go for at least a few months and see where you are at. I don't see how this wouldn't work if you are honestly following it to a T since you have alot of natural potential left. You are going to need to eat like this anyway even on cycle so get used to it now and build up your base. Will be much easier to stay big if you start big.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee%E2%80%A...
I am definitely past my natural potential and I can still put on weight just eating and training right even off cycle. Put on 4lbs of lbm in just over 3 months while off cycle doing just what I gave you above, which I think is pretty incredible at this stage of my game. You need to reassess your diet and training. That is what is holding you back right now. AAS isn't going to solve that.
Thumbs up for being bone Honest............ welcome to eroids now lets get you on the right path.
Thank you Viking
I advise reading lots of our stickies first to get a grip of how things work bro.... start with the link i added below and then use the magnifying glass icon on the top bar to further refine your searches... also with the search function you can type a members handle and every comment that the member has ever written will be there for you view also.
Do some research first then post again bro..... the guys will respect you for this and your experience within eroids will be far sweeter........... good luck
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/cycles-the-safe-way
You're awesome. Thanks brotha.
have a mooch around the different forums and gets to grips with some of the guys personalties bro.... these guys have passion and are highly focused and can go full tilt at the drop of a hat when craziness abounds lol........... slow and easy, make friends and grow with knowledge from guys who are experts in training protocols, nutrition, competition etc etc etc.......... its all here for the taking... all we ask is a good attitude in return......... easy as that.
RustyhookerYou need food help. Not drugs. Lean n cut your bout 145 pounds.
Trash any steroids til you're lean cut 210. Need proof, I can post the link.
Up top...forums....general. find catalyst forum on foods. Post diet.
Whats your gym like? Im seeing no base given the stats. So post up your every day gym regimen
Loooool. Don't use this "word" often but I simply don't know what else to say
Come on man, don't be like that. I'm looking for advice. Not everyone comes out of the womb a walking steroid encyclopedia. You were in the same position asking questions like me at one time.
Absolutely! And you can achieve that knowledge in a couple of years as well!
Make good use of your time. You can never know enough.
Still the things you're saying contradict a bit with each other. Don't you think so?
post up a self pic........ body maturity is what i will be looking at.
age and stats mean nothing to me from now on.
I despair!!!!!
Rusty just found a pearl in cycle logs............. take a look but dont bust your keyboard.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/my-third-cycle#c...
I saw it and moved right on. Couldn't bare it. I'm having a bad day as it is. Already called some fool a "fucking twat". I mean he was one but I should refrain from that in open forums Lol.
First time user like first time cycle? Or first time using tren?
Anyway. Post up your
cycle history
update your stats
goals
etc
Ok, you edited your post to first time *Steroid user.
So, do yourself a favour and forget about tren quickly.
Still, post up the other things mentioned ;-)
Ok I'm gonna ask why forget about Tren? This is what my original post was asking...
First off, because you don't even know how you react to Test itself. Do you even have any idea of what tren can cause for sides?! It's one of the most powerful compounds and you really want to hop on it on the first cycle?!
Tren is really meant for more experienced individuals
I'm actually pretty knowledgeable in both compounds. I'm no expert chemist but I've done loads of reading over the past two years, but this is all beside the point. To answer your question, yes, I know the sides that are possible with both. I know and understand that Tren is possibly the strongest anabolic out there having a rating of 500 when testosterone, strong as it is, has a rating of 100. The cycle above is dosed at the very low end of the spectrum for sides. Like I mentioned, I know a lot about the compounds but have never used so I was interested in peoples opinions of the cycle. Thanks for helping out Pericu, I appreciate it!
RustyhookerI'm actually pretty knowledgeable in both compounds.
Bullcrap. Or you'd be 285 @ 10%
Ive never used
(From profile).
Makes me laugh everytime I read it. Simply a good joke
Why is it funny? You guys sure know how to welcome a new member looking for help lol.
Would you like me to change it to "Never used. Don't know shit. Please tell me everything you know."
I'm not being sarcastic. What can I put in my profile to actually get a response from you guys other than "look at this dick wanting to take gear"
Sorry, it's funny to me due to all the things you claim to know and than this when looking at your stats and training exp.
But ok, being srrious now.
You're still able to push it way further. The truth is, you're most likely no absolute newb anymore and this is where hard work only is not enough anymore and what is "hard work" anyway. I have lots of clients who claim to "work hard" but most often, thats nowhere near what it is.
Anyway, back to what I was saying. Now is the time where everything slowly needs to get in check and defined. Like proper training routine, nutrition but rest and recovery as well.
Yo're still able to make lots of gains naturally but now comes the real work!
I understand what you're saying. And I appreciate the response. When I'm saying I've done just about all I can to get bigger, I literally mean it. I train like I should to see mass gains. Ive followed the proper nutrition and sleep and all of it Almost to a fanatical level. Sure, I get 2-3 pounds per year which probably translates to me thinking I'm getting no gains anymore. But training is a huge part of my life and the effort I put in is not to gain 2 pounds. So I'm not contradicting your reply whatsoever. I just wanted you to know that I really have done what needs to be done to see better gains and it just doesn't happen like I want. I WANT TO BE HUUUUGE! Lol ok that was a joke. Thanks brotha.
Tren has more sides than any other aas, and it's not even close. It can severe emotional/mental effects as well. Try sky-high BP, prolactin sides (leaking nipples and prolactin induced gyno), it can trash your liver profile as well. All of this can be in store for your first cycle. It's not for novices and it's not always best for experienced users, unless it meets their goals. One compound at a time and I even say you should master that compound before you even think of stacking others. Test for 3-4 cycles.
Thank you for the info. I really appreciate it. I also appreciate you not making a mockery out of my post like the others. I came to this site for useful information from a community that shared the same interests. Not for a bunch of people to bash my questions. Thanks again
No problem. You're on the top aas website and it has the top people. People actually give a shit about the health and safety of others here. It's for grow ups and you'll get straight talk and no hand holding. If you're willing to listen and learn, you'll get the best and top advice for you now and in the future. Welcome aboard.
Thanks for jumping. Exactly this^^
Fuck, can I drive fucking airplane just because I read the manual? Hell no.
As mentioned, the common approach is adding one compound at a time to each cycle. Jumping on Tren and then Tren E?! as a first cycle is kind of suicide. When shit breaks lose, have fun with the sides until the compounds leave your system!
Don't do it man!!!
Damn right........... +3