posted Thu, 06/16/2016 - 10:23
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Test Prop , Anavar , Tren , Primo.......clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...too much???
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Curious on what everyone thinks of this cycle.....
Goal - build some lean muscle
- mostly CUT
AM on week 4 now and am leaning out very nice...pretty quick....my waistline feels like it has shrunk quite a bit
Week 1
prop 300 mg
clenbuterol 40mcg - day
week 2
prop 300mg
tren 150 mg
clen 60 mcg - day
3
prop 300 mg
tren 150
anavar 20 mg - day oral
4
prop 300 mg
tren 150 mg
anavar 30 mg - day
primo 300 mg
5 - 12
prop 300 mg
tren 150mg
anavar 40 mg - day
primo 300 mg
Then come up with something post cycle
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OK bro, I'm back.
There seems to be a lot of confusion today about the role of steroids in an athletic cut, say a BF of 8%-10%. For some reason AAS users in an increasing number seem to believe that leaning out is similar to the stage conditioning of a competitive bodybuilder. An enhanced bodybuilder is going to take the stage with a BF <4%, a condition he can only hold for maybe a day. Body fat that low is unnatural and unhealthy. That said, it is still required to be competitive.
Let me stare at the last prep cycle for a guy I know very well. What do we have to bring him down to <4% with cellophane thin skin, ridiculous vascularity, a physique that looks like granite, and grainy muscularity and deep muscle separation and striation? A condition he can only hold for hours. Test Cyp, Tren Hex, Deca, Drol, Mast, HGH, Sust, Tren E, EQ, Dbol, Var, Primo, Tren A, Winny, Provi, Test P, Halo, Caber, Adex, and Letro. No T3 and no clen.
None of those chemicals are required for a basic athletic cut. None. The only role for any anabolic agent in a simple cut would be to maintain anabolism (prevent catabolism) to make sure one is not burning through any muscle tissue on a diet. A moderate dose of Test will suffice. We don't deploy hardening agents like var or worse halo, run growth hormone, or run cut stacks like Test Tren Mast to do this. We don't deploy thermogenics like clen nor do we manipulate our thyroid hormones either. We don't pin chemicals like Primo (which is really good at maintaining protein synthesis in a severe calorie restricted diet). None of those things really add much in a situation where diet rules.
So to the OP, as Cat opined below, just stop at this point. The primo at the dose you have isn't contributing anything, nor is the tren. You don't need var certainly. The clen was an unnecessary risk. I would differ with Cat in only one respect. If you wanna run prop for 12 weeks then fine. Make sure you do a proper PCT.
The test is a luxury, but OK. Cardio and nutrition rule here as they do for 99% of athletes or gym rats or just good ordinary folk that want a bit of that ripped look.
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Accepted. I love when Jack Nicholson said that in "A Few Good Men" LMAO
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wow that was good stuff!! ....helps alot
I guess i wanted to feel as powerful and good and animalistic during my cut.....just as i did with bulking stuff.
Let me think on this.... and get back at this...
How much cardio? What kind of cardio? Should i aim for just low calories? carb cycling?
LISS cardio fasted (before breakfast) Keep pulse at 60-65% of your max for your age. Tread mill or elliptical for example. So at your age 36 you would keep your pulse between 220-36 x .60 = 110 bpm to 220-36 x .65 = 119 bpm. 45 min to 1 hour. This is low intensity, you can do it everyday if you want.
Sort your diet out in Cat's diet clinic - https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
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RustyhookerNot good at all. Guys below are telling you right.
These stats from your profile up to date?
You're cutting from this? 10% BF? Sustaining a single digit body fat is one hell of an ask. Didn't you post s pic the other day? From what I recall your BF didn't look like 10%.
The cycle is awful mate, it really is. It looks like you don't know what you're doing.12 weeks of anavar is way too long. Primo at 300mg for 8 weeks is pointless.
We've got no cycle history for you, what have you run before?
Just noticed you've already started this......
Perfect an actual response.... thank you so much..
I have tried to post pics they are all upside down.....f ing annoying....the pic i posted b4 i was bulking with
tren and test enth and EQ
I wanna go through summer at about 8-9% BF about 3-4 months....
This is prob my 3rd or 4th serious cycle.....
I have started this.....what do you think i should do at this point what should i be doing
Can't help you on the pics. I've reached that age where I can't work technology properly. I get my daughter to show me how to use stuff now.....
What would I do? I'd bin the cycle in its entirety. Aside from those things I've mentioned above, it's overly complicated and unless you're hugely disciplined your goal is asking a hell of a lot.
We could do with a pic, even if you are standing on your head lol. Cycle wise I'd be looking simple stuff with a solid nutritional plan. If the latter is right, the drugs are almost irrelevant.
Since there is no mention that you are trying to ready yourself for some type of competition with this I can only assume you are some kind of steroid junkie.
What the fuck is this? Have you lost your mind? Did you come up with this yourself or did you get it from some moron?
I'm out also. Every stinking new user account on this website is a train wreck.
You don't run a pile of anabolics to lose a couple of pounds of fat. Dang bro. Also, why r u wasting our precious time looking for comments on a cycle u r already running?
No competition and not a steroid junkie. Just wanna go on a really good cutting cycle and it working very well so far.
What the fuck is this? Have you lost your mind? Did you come up with this yourself or did you get it from some moron?.........YOU HAVE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!
LET ME KNOW SOME SORT OF CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT.....SOMETHING THAT LETS ME KNOW THAT YOU ACTUALLY CAN FORMULATE A COMMENT THAT REPRESENTS AN INTELLECT.
So by that you think too much?....what do you think i should do
Bro, you have exceeded my knowledge with this cycle. I am way over my head. My intellect is too weak to intelligently advise you on something this complex. I should have passed. Sorry for intruding on your thread and showing unwarranted frustration. Clearly you have the situation under control.
Wishing you the very best.
i am not trying to say that at all.....
Actually i am actually begging for your input without sarcastic overload......i don't have a lot of people helping me. On this witch is why your thoughts would be great.
So what i gather is....
I am only on week 4.....its working great honestly i am leaning up like no other.... am just worried i might be on too much
Let me know
OK bro no problem. I'm out having dinner and am using my phone. When I get back home I'll logon.
Please understand that every new member for well over a month now is posting cycles overloaded with anabolics to do basic cuts to pursue the elusive lean bulk or worse the mythical recomp.
When I saw your post I just exploded. You just happened to have like the 51st post that exceeded my tolerance. It may have seemed personal but it isn't. LOL
AnonI'm glad y'all worked that out without this getting too stupid
lol thanks man would love help
"Lean bulk" or "build mass while cutting"
Bro, you either full on bulk and don't fuck around in the kitchen or you full on cut, can't cut weight n put on size or bulk without gaining weight
Not being a dick just honest.
Fill in bf stat and I'm in to help after you post cycle experience and goal
Right.....so really wishful thinking and i realize...
So my status with this cycle would be to cut and keep muscle i still have
IN no way are you being i dick...... honest truth and opinion is key
Nope. I'm out.
What does that mean???
I stated i was cutting if i could make any gains at all i would be happy.....not huge gains but if any would love some.
Would really appreciate your thoughts rather than a 3 word one liner
It means we've been seeing an influx of posts about people trying to accomplish gaining mass and cutting at the same time. It's about as futile as the hunt for Bigfoot.
This cycle, as mentioned above, is utter crap. Youre wasting compounds, running orals entirely too long, and you're trying to get into single digit bodyfat which unless you're competing is moot for any extended period of time. Honestly? I'd completely scrap this cycle and go back to the drawing board... Youre gonna lose out some time due to PCT, but at least it won't be for nothing.
Thanks for the thoughts......
I don't see why i would scrap this if its working....tramendously
I def could use some good advise on this though....i am only on week 4....only 2 weeks on anavar....i can def shit directions very easily. Don't have to run anavar a full 12.
Would like to be cut and vascular for a good 10 weeks. Should i decrease what i am on?
Post up your diet. I'm not an expert, but Cat may be able to get you just under 10% for a while with the proper nutrition.
As for the compounds, I want you to take all the advice being given and come up with a better remaining 8 weeks and we'll go from there. Hint: drop the clen, drop the primo, shift the var. I'd bin the entire thing and start from scratch after PCT, but you don't seem entirely receptive to that.
Thank you so much!!
8 AM - 6 eggs - 2 full eggs 4 whites .... 1 multigrain double protein english muffin
10:30 - shake - 30 g whey protein, 1/2 cup spinach 1/2 cup kale, 3/4 cup oats, 3/4 cup blueberries
1:00 - 7 oz chicken breast 1 med sweet pot 1 cup veggies
4:00 - same
8:00 - dinner.....healthy...about like above meals but a little higher on the macros
11:00 - some meal ...low carb 25g protein.
I don't wann scrap the entire thing........will scrap clen ...have only taken 1 inject of primo.... how should i shift the var.
for rest 8 weeks ... prop and tren seem on point ?
Well GH got to you before I could. follow his advice.
Out of curiosity though, what made you run tren lower than test?