Test E - Mast E - Tren A - Anavar
Looking for some advice on my next cycle. All compounds in the subject are on hand along with cycle support and estrogen management items. It'll be my biggest cycle to date and my first time running Tren. Looking to get both shredded and a little bit stronger. Hoping to be as safe as possible and open to suggestions. Currently sitting at around 215-220lbs and 20% body fat at 6'2". Cycle length will be 16 weeks and are planned as follows:
Test E - 300mg per week
Mast E - 300mg per week
Tren A - 200mg per week
Anavar - 50mg a day (weeks 4-12)
I don't mind titrating up on a compound and know I might get suggestions to run the Tren higher, but since this is my first time with the compound, I want to start low. I like the 1:1 ratio of Test to Mast but am open to suggestions there too.
Also, I know HGH isn't a magical compound and won't make me mutate on its own but my last bloods showed a level of .105ng/mL and I did not know if adding in 2iu a day for the cycle length would give me any added benefit besides better sleep and anti-aging perks. I do like the idea of better sleep/skin and maybe to heal a couple aches and pains. I know it's expensive but I have never used HGH and see mixed reviews.
Anything else I might need to make sure I have for the selected compounds? Anything to look out for never running Tren before?
Thanks in advance.
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Body fat way to high to be starting a cycle. Knock that down with a good diet first and then start cycle. It is so easy to torch fat at that high of bodyfat that you don't need any excess androgens to spare muscle tissue. Once you have to get to more extreme dieting and calorie restriction that is when you bring in the AAS to spare tissue.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/scientific-proof-lowe...
ED pinning of tren a for 16wks. No thanks.
If you have low IGF to begin with then 2iu might be of some benefit, but not much. So I probably wouldn't even bother unless you know your natty IGF is in the gutter. 4-5iu would be more realistic to get more out of it either way.
Thanks for posting the link Makwa. I usually have a lower body fat naturally but this last mass gain cycle while my wife was pregnant got a little dirty. I should be able to get to or below 15% relatively quick and then start my cycle.
It would appear that GH is out for me and I will be shortening my exposure to tren per yours an Rusty's insight although I might still go for it a bit depending on feel and blood work.
RustyhookerCycle to me is a lil iffy...pct vs trt....ehhh. Mast boosts aggression, hardness and for me mitigates e2. Tren wins on receptors and for some punches the aggression up.
If youre running tren a... its ed or eod pins. No breaks. None of the m w f bs. Its constant. Tren imo is best ed pins and going past week 6 is by cycle...meaning...some tren cycles just sweaty and lil snappy. Next cycle might be nightmares, sweat and full tilt asshole. Tren a is fast in...fast out so if its a problem theres fast relief. 12 weeks on tren is a tax. Id opt for cut stack...6-8 weeks max. But shirt cycle also siggests youre close to goals
Trt vs pct....tren has hard shutdown so 6week full solid pct is outlined in my forum. Click my avatar...my forums. Trt youre moving back to trt doses so theres some energy drag and learning curve of prolactin and e2.
20% bf is where you should make decisions. Its one direction or you fight and lose. Keep it simple. If cutting fat its diet and anaerobic cardio. Gear simply aids recovery and holds muscle better.
500test e 1-12
300mast e 1-12
50mg var split am pm 8-14
Simpler and effective without tren hassles
Thanks for the insight Rusty. Now I have more to consider. I guess I try to consider my age (34) and know I’m not going to blast forever so I try to go aggressive.
Diet and cardio have never been a problem when cutting, I typically have more struggles on mass cycles.
I am on TRT though so any time I’m not on cycle I’m cruising on TRT.
RustyhookerThen maybe look at tren a the last 6 weeks. Long esters booming and its just enought to feel it since its damn strong. Hold off on var tail end to just feel the tren. The combo var tren is nasty on heart burn too. Lol. Tren lowers my appetite...lil heartburn.
At least youre going in eyes open and researching.
I do not believe 2iu would give you much benefit for the headache of injecting and price, 4iu + for muscle building IMO and extremely overrated
All the physiques of the 70s and 80s were built with GH or Insulin so unless you are bigger than those guys you still have room to grow with hard ass training, rest and a good stack which you have formulated
Do you mean to say you'll run 50 mg of Anavar daily for 4 weeks or is 50 mg weekly accurate? In terms of the HGH, I dont think youll see much return on investment or even really any progress in 16 weeks. Around 6 months of consistent use is where I start to see the benefits, so I prefer to have a few months (5 or 6 at least, really) of steady HGH intake before starting a cycle if I want any real symbiosis between the AAS & HGH.
This is not entirely accurate, what effects are you referring to?
there are many acute effects of GH, nutrient partitioning and lipolysis being the most obvious
if you look on my profile I went from 3-4iu up to 5iu of GH and in less than 21 days my IGF1 was in the low 400s, it did not take 6months for that IGF1 to build up, it should only take 2 weeks
the long and low philosophy of GH is absolute bro science, the longer you use something and the more frequently the more you build a resistance, GH is no difference
Fair enough. I don't mean to insinuate that it takes 6 months to build up useful blood serum levels of IGF-1, but that the noticable positive effects aren't immediate. Skin elasticity, higher energy baseline, improved sense of well being & many other positive effects associated with GH use take time to realize. And the lipolysis from GH is a fairly slow & steady process as well, in my experience. I could never inject enough HGH to beat a crap diet & AAS have always given me more reliably tangible results in terms of recomp/fat loss. I wonder what the difference would be in the result if 2 (hypothetically) identical people started an identical cycle, but 1 of them ran 2 iu of HGH daily, starting simultaneously to the AAS, and the other ran no HGH.
fair enough I think you articulated your point well and know what you are talking about, the anti aging effects could take longer but OP probably wants the muscle building effects which IMO are the first 10w of any cycle, no need for it to "kick in", GH added with the androgens would facilitate in muscle growth
thats a good question
and your personal observations back up medical data, GH by itself is a poor muscle builder
the effects of GH are highly variable, for example if they both were 25 years old and had natural 250ng/ml IGF1 scores, adding 2iu would likely give the "GH Twin" little benefit, as his non GH friend already has a nice higher IGF1 level and 2iu would not push that number up likely much at all
now if both have 50ng/ml natural resting IGF1 levels and you one twin on pharma GH 2iu in a single dose per day, that could 4-5x his IGF-1 level which would lead to significant reductions in visceral fat mass through lipolysis and a tighter fuller look through nutrient partitioning, optimal for a precontest environment
how much muscle would he have more than his twin just juicing? I do not know, many would say more because of "hyperplesia" from the IGF1, thats the bro theory. but since someone I talked to that is one of the most educated people in his field, working on his 2nd doctorate, with discussed how difficult muscle hyperplasia actually is, challenging a lot of my firmly held beliefs
https://themusclephd.com/hypertrophy-vs-hyperplasia/ as you can see there is not a single human study showing hyperplasia but in many other mammals
I would say maybe 5-10% more, it is just not that impactful without insulin then things change...
good talk cheers
Yeah man, I enjoy this conversation. Thanks
Thanks for catching that mistake Natty. Yes, I meant 50mg a day and actually for 8 weeks.
Also, thanks for the input on HGH.