Test E, Deca, EQ 20 week cycle. PCT protocol?
I’m 23 years old (I know I’m young) and have only ran a test cypionate “400mg” (I know it doesn’t exist) cycle alone and it went significantly well. I bought all the gear to run a 20 week cycle but I want to get some experts’ opinions on the PCT (hcg, nolvadex and clomid) yes I know Deca Dick exists, I have pramipexole getting shipped to my house (I could also use a little intel on the dosage of that) I’m looking to get some good size and strength out of this. I’m 208 lbs and I have pretty decent strength.
Here’s what the cycle will look like:
Week1: 50mg Test Propionate everyday (350 a week) to kickstart
250mg test E (half a cc every 3/4 days)
400mg deca
600mg Equipoise
Week 2: Test P 350mg
250mg Test E
400mg deca
600mg EQ
Week 3-10: 250mg Test E
400mg Deca
600mg EQ
Week 10-20: 250mg Test E
600mg EQ
Was planning on doing clomid
100/100/50/50/50/50
And Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Also HCG I’m just not sure about the dosage and when. I read to do it during the cycle and after so the shut down isn’t as bad. I’ve never ran HCG and I’ve most definitely never ran a 20week cycle so I’d appreciate the feedback!
Not running cycle anymore due to yalls feedback. Thanks for everyone’s opinion!
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BrianOYour going to run a cycle reguardless of what ppl say an your age.
I would just run a test E /deca or eq cycle.
500 mg test
400 mg deca
Weekly.
Save rest of gear for another cycle. I have gained 20-25 lbs on just these two.
Anywho your call an be smart about it. Good luck
Rustyhookerhes 23.
BrianOLike I said, he is going to run something anyways so instead of telling him not to, give him advice.
WHY!!!??? Deca and EQ???? Don't ........Just Don't
Hopefully you listen to the common theme that everyone is telling you.
+2's to everyone
You need deadlifts son not a "super cycle"
Terrible idea and would be made worse if actually put in to practice. Way too many compounds while way too young. You are play a dangerous game of Russian roulette risking permanent damage to your entire endocrine system participating in a cycle like this.
For such a stated goal as "I’m looking to get some good size and strength out of this" is risking permanent damage worth the risk for such a simple and easy goal to achieve?
You need to instead forgo compounds and start EATING big while combining that with HEAVY weight training to change your "pretty decent strength" to actual legitimate foundational strength.
Chanmozo95Yep. Already chose not to do it. And trust me I eat big and love to train heavy brother.. just because I choose to take a cycle doesn’t mean I don’t know how to lift or eat. I’m sure you’re used to it but that’s not the case. I’m just a noob to roids which is why I posted a forum for others experienced opinions on cycles
Hashtag1981EQ and DECA all raise RBC , be careful.
Chanmozo95Yes sir I’m aware of that. I’m actually going to stick to a good ol’ test cycle for now after I get some natty gains for the next 6 months or so
Here’s another read for you.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-tren-eq-...
Chanmozo95That’s a shit ton of gear he ran. makes me think twice
Your way off base here brother. You are gonna screw yourselve up permanently. I don’t even know where to start
You’re too young to mess with your endocrine system. What gains you get from AAS now, will cost you later. You’re body should be producing more test than mine does has naturally for the last 5 years. No, I’m not trt either. I still pct & go off cycle.
If you were a few years older & had used your best years of natural test to grow & build a great base, another test cycle would be all that you would need. The cycle you’re proposing isn’t anywhere near a 2nd cycle or novice cycle. This should be maybe an option for 6th cycle. Why? Never add 2 different compounds in a cycle. If negative sides occur, you will have no idea which the culprit is & how to deal accordingly. With these long esters, it would take maybe a month to be able to subside any negative sides effects. Deca itself is a harsh compound that affects everyone different, but it can have several nasty sides & it’s harder to pct from. It’s not what you feel like on cycle that counts, but what you feel like after pct.
If I were giving advice to a user that has done his research & understands very well what he’s doing, I would say 500mg-600mg Test E or Test C for 12-14 weeks.
My advice to you is sit down & count the cost of risk vs reward. Also, do a lot of research & read the other experiences here that are posted. There’s so much to learn & you will thank yourself later when you haven’t thrown money down the tube with AAS & you have saved your body unneeded damage. There’s not one experienced member here that would advise your cycle & not one that would advise anything much different than I have advised.
basskiller89x2 brother, well said
Hope this gets through to him. Time will tell. Good job brother
Chanmozo95Damn you guys are really making it seem like I fucked up bad by already having all of this gear on deck before hopping on here
Man it won’t go bad if you set it aside for a better time! I have a nice stock pile as do most of us. It’s doesn’t mean you have to use it. I’ve given you wise advice from age & experience.... it’s up to you now little brother.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
basskiller89I'm with Rusty on this one brother lol
You do not have a clear understanding of how these hormones work in your body. The way you structured this proposed cycle further demonstrates this. You certainly do not need 1500mg+ of gear for a 20 week cycle. That is a completely unnecessary amount of gear based upon your current stats and goals
Also, you're only 23. Continue growing naturally and continue your research until you have a better understanding of how these compounds work. A few years down the line you'll have a much better physique and may actually be ready to run a proper cycle
Chanmozo95What do you think it should look like if you were to lower the doses or shorten the cycle? I already bought the gear, there’s no turning back brother
basskiller89I can say this as a general statement and not directed toward you in any way brother. I strongly believe that 600mgs of testosterone every week alongside the use of an AI daily would prove to be more than beneficial on a hypothetical 20 week cycle. I would be damned sure to include HCG with proper PCT ancillaries at the end of that cycle. Now, I do not recommend you running any gear because you're lack of understanding is very concerning. You are permanently messing with your hormones and they will not bounce back. I am simply trying to provide some light that 1500+mg is a dangerous and completely unnecessary amount. At the end of the day you're going to do as you wish. Later on in life when you understand these concepts much better than you do now, I hope you will remember what I have said to you
Chanmozo95I know I’m young but I’m not going to just completely go against what all of you have said when it comes to running that much gear. There’s a reason I posted on here before putting 9 bottles of juice in my body. Thanks for all of your opinions I’ll probably just run a normal 500/week test E cycle. Kickstarting with test p would probably be pointless ya think? Probably not smart considering the Test buildup over time from the Test E
basskiller89There you go, it's good to see you taking proper advice
Chanmozo95Nolva/clomid pct or hcg too? I’m about to order post today bc the website I order from is shutting down for a couple weeks. Also should I stick to 10 weeks or run it 12-14?
basskiller89I excluded HCG on one of my PCT's and my test levels were at a very low 200 several months later
I believe the length of your PCT would depend upon your blood work. The goal is re reach normal physiological levels on all hormone levels. I think a longer PCT is overall a better idea, but I can's see there being many issues if you ran it for 10 weeks. Again, blood work is needed to confirm your PCT has been successful
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise
You're gonna screw yourself up with all that. Just eat and lift.
BOGQuestion why would you go from first cycle doing only Test tonsome like this it over kill. Next you have you cycle laid out but you haven’t said one word about your diet. How many meal are you gone to eat how many cals how much protein. Then what are your work outs gone to look like??? Don’t just think more gear will get me there cuz it won’t
Chanmozo95I eat 6 meals a day. 240 grams of protein a day. Probably 4-5k cal a day anywhere from 200-350 grams of carbs a day. Around 100-150 grams of fat a day.
Monday - chest/back
Tuesday- legs
Wednesday- shoulders/arms
Thursday- off
Friday- chest/back
Saturday- arms/legs
Sunday- shoulders
I know how to workout and for the most part I know how to diet. I can bench around 375 and can shoulder press 110 lb DBs with ease. I’m trying to fast forward the process and get ridiculous strength and good quality size. If y’all think I’m completely crazy, atleast try to help me draw up some other ideas other than natty
BOGHow long have you been doing that workout split?? How long have you been eating like that? Also how much your bench and shoulder press has nothing to do with what you no about working out. The truth is you can take everything under the sun and don’t gain anything and see your strength go up a little bit if you want a cycle the shine like a diamond you need your diet to be 100% on point like spot your workouts need to be hell. I’m just telling you the truth cuz I see where your going and I been there don’t tax your body with taking all the gear when you can still get gains with small amounts cuz once you go up there’s no going back.
Chanmozo95Yeah I understand, when it comes to working out you can never know too much.. its something that comes with time. Thank you for your advice!
RustyhookerAge: 23...Height: 5’10...Weight: 208...BF:
Your idea and layout is insane. Work your power movements and diet. Get a few more years of base built.
Chanmozo95I thought I’d get a reply like this lol thanks for your input though