24 years old, smh! do not listen to guy below- that's bs- first off- you shouldn't be juicing at all especially 19 nor, also don't add anything else, drop cycle and pct. smh- adding in the worlds most toxic oral at the end of a cycle for anyone is bad especially at 24.
And for what's if worth I don't drink, I get my 8 hours every night, my diet is on point , I get regular blood tests take my ancallaries and I live this lifestyle everyday and have been for a long time, not in this to get some abs for summer lol.
Hey bro I really appriciate the concern. Makes me think you guys really give a shit lol. I won't add the superdrol and I'll start my pct in 3 weeks as planned. But in your opinion when is a good age to start. Some say 21, some 23 others 25. I wanted to start at 21 but I was talked out of it on another board and waited 2 more years and started at 23 and now it seems like you want me to wait even longer. This isn't my first cycle lol I didn't just start with a 19 nor.
Oral use at the end of cycle depending on the oral will make you retain more water and weight will obviously go up. Alot of members will bash me for this for no reason, but as far as oral use at the end of cycle I personally like it for the strength boost. The properties of that steroid are not going to change based on whether you take it at the beginning or end of your cycle. So as far as muscle goes its not going to make much of a difference.
I like this post because I have read about numerous people throwing an oral like dbol and similar to the end of the cycles to keep their strength and drive up for training purpouses and taper just before pct. And +1 because you probably also realize that irongame is serious about what he does. Hell at least you answered his question to the best of your knowledge.
So is he now bro... i dont like his attitude with this co-signing youngsters numbness, and if i leave him to roam around to keep posting shit like that i bet Gazoo will pick him up pretty fast so best he goes here and now.
op worries me too, questions like these and other posts hes done, now i see he advised someone on a reboot failed pct.... 3 weeks ago he didnt know how to use aromasin. smh.
The fuck you mean I don't know how to use aromasin? I asked a simple question regarding dosing as I had not used an Ai in ON cycle in the past. I asked or real life expericence on different dosages to make sure that I was using a proper amout to control sides and not crush my estrogen. go do a quick google search bro and see what type of recommendations come up. Anywhere from 6.25 ed to 25 ed. So I wanted some real life experience.
Thanks for the input. Im guessing you have done this before so what have your results been like and what orals did you use? Say you gained 15lbs up until that point and added something like Dbol or superdrol etc did you gain another 10lbs or something?
Lol I should have been more specific. Lbm, increase In glycogen stores etc, basically fat free mass. Basically what I'm getting at is typically around week 10 of my cycles the quick gains in lbm stop despite and increase in calories. During my previous cycles around that time I stop gaining muscle. I increase my calories and I end up getting fat. I think increase in myostatin levels is the cause of this but that's a debate for another day. So will I gain rapidly as if I were to use it as a kick start or if I ran it solo.
Your body doesnt platue at week 10 when your on gear. Its a psychological issue since your body has already reach its max levels of the gear and water retention cant go any higher. You gain all that water in the beginning and you think dam im getting swole. The rate at which you build muscle never slows down, but the amount of water you retain will seize at one point. But since your body stops retaining more water you think your progress is slowing down when actually any weight you put on beyond that point is either fat or muscle. So as long as bf isnt going up than anything you gain once levels are stable is pure muscle. So dont let slowed "weight gain" discourage you keep your training and diet on point and the results will come just be patient.
Thanks for the info bud. Only reason I felt this way was because on pervious cycles I felt like I did plateau. I increased my cals and littearly just got fat between week 10-16. I had to fight for every pound I gained after week 10. I think I gained 5lbs after week 10 and I by the end my bf had jumped 4% during those last 6 week so it was basically all fat. I'll have to adjust my training and diet if I feel that I plateau again and really watch my bodyfat.
As soon as your bf% starts going up keep your calories right there. As long as your putting the work in the gym and hitting your macros you'll get the results. Again its a really slow process so just put in the work and be patient. Also ignore the tards karma bashing me who cant even back up why what im saying is wrong. If you got any questions bro just pm me. Ill be more than happy to help.
In my opinion it would be better as a kick start rather than a closer. Your receptors are probably pretty spent, and putting on that amount of weight right before PCT probably won't do you much good. Save it for a possible kick start in the future my man!
Thanks man I kinda figured my receptors are pretty saturated at this point but I want to get a little more out of this cycle. I got bronchitis at the beginning of the cycle and it lasted like 6 weeks and I've been on for about 11. So during those 6 weeks my appetite was shot, I was getting down 2500 calories if I was lucky. Probably should have just stopped the cycle but I kept thinking it would clear up. So I just want another few pounds of muscle out of this cycle if possible, and I have been wanting to use superdrol forever.
GAME OVER BEFORE WAR BREAKS OUT.
24 years old, smh! do not listen to guy below- that's bs- first off- you shouldn't be juicing at all especially 19 nor, also don't add anything else, drop cycle and pct. smh- adding in the worlds most toxic oral at the end of a cycle for anyone is bad especially at 24.
And for what's if worth I don't drink, I get my 8 hours every night, my diet is on point , I get regular blood tests take my ancallaries and I live this lifestyle everyday and have been for a long time, not in this to get some abs for summer lol.
Hey bro I really appriciate the concern. Makes me think you guys really give a shit lol. I won't add the superdrol and I'll start my pct in 3 weeks as planned. But in your opinion when is a good age to start. Some say 21, some 23 others 25. I wanted to start at 21 but I was talked out of it on another board and waited 2 more years and started at 23 and now it seems like you want me to wait even longer. This isn't my first cycle lol I didn't just start with a 19 nor.
BetterOnTopOral use at the end of cycle depending on the oral will make you retain more water and weight will obviously go up. Alot of members will bash me for this for no reason, but as far as oral use at the end of cycle I personally like it for the strength boost. The properties of that steroid are not going to change based on whether you take it at the beginning or end of your cycle. So as far as muscle goes its not going to make much of a difference.
94sihatchI like this post because I have read about numerous people throwing an oral like dbol and similar to the end of the cycles to keep their strength and drive up for training purpouses and taper just before pct. And +1 because you probably also realize that irongame is serious about what he does. Hell at least you answered his question to the best of your knowledge.
The dude is banned
So is he now bro... i dont like his attitude with this co-signing youngsters numbness, and if i leave him to roam around to keep posting shit like that i bet Gazoo will pick him up pretty fast so best he goes here and now.
I was one of the first to jump on his thread, and I had a feeling from the beginning he wasn't getting it.
op worries me too, questions like these and other posts hes done, now i see he advised someone on a reboot failed pct.... 3 weeks ago he didnt know how to use aromasin. smh.
Probably should re read the post you commented on to bud. He wasn't worried about about me, he was talking about the guy who he banned.
The fuck you mean I don't know how to use aromasin? I asked a simple question regarding dosing as I had not used an Ai in ON cycle in the past. I asked or real life expericence on different dosages to make sure that I was using a proper amout to control sides and not crush my estrogen. go do a quick google search bro and see what type of recommendations come up. Anywhere from 6.25 ed to 25 ed. So I wanted some real life experience.
See what i mean bro.................. i dont want, nor will i allow clowns like this to wreck our board.
you never learn buddy the op is 24-
Thanks for the input. Im guessing you have done this before so what have your results been like and what orals did you use? Say you gained 15lbs up until that point and added something like Dbol or superdrol etc did you gain another 10lbs or something?
BetterOnTopYou shouldnt be worried about weight gain. Weight gain is a very vague goal. Gain what? Water? Fat? LBM?
Lol I should have been more specific. Lbm, increase In glycogen stores etc, basically fat free mass. Basically what I'm getting at is typically around week 10 of my cycles the quick gains in lbm stop despite and increase in calories. During my previous cycles around that time I stop gaining muscle. I increase my calories and I end up getting fat. I think increase in myostatin levels is the cause of this but that's a debate for another day. So will I gain rapidly as if I were to use it as a kick start or if I ran it solo.
BetterOnTopYour body doesnt platue at week 10 when your on gear. Its a psychological issue since your body has already reach its max levels of the gear and water retention cant go any higher. You gain all that water in the beginning and you think dam im getting swole. The rate at which you build muscle never slows down, but the amount of water you retain will seize at one point. But since your body stops retaining more water you think your progress is slowing down when actually any weight you put on beyond that point is either fat or muscle. So as long as bf isnt going up than anything you gain once levels are stable is pure muscle. So dont let slowed "weight gain" discourage you keep your training and diet on point and the results will come just be patient.
Thanks for the info bud. Only reason I felt this way was because on pervious cycles I felt like I did plateau. I increased my cals and littearly just got fat between week 10-16. I had to fight for every pound I gained after week 10. I think I gained 5lbs after week 10 and I by the end my bf had jumped 4% during those last 6 week so it was basically all fat. I'll have to adjust my training and diet if I feel that I plateau again and really watch my bodyfat.
BetterOnTopAs soon as your bf% starts going up keep your calories right there. As long as your putting the work in the gym and hitting your macros you'll get the results. Again its a really slow process so just put in the work and be patient. Also ignore the tards karma bashing me who cant even back up why what im saying is wrong. If you got any questions bro just pm me. Ill be more than happy to help.
Thanks a lot man I appriciate the time you've took to help me out. Just sent you a friend request.
In my opinion it would be better as a kick start rather than a closer. Your receptors are probably pretty spent, and putting on that amount of weight right before PCT probably won't do you much good. Save it for a possible kick start in the future my man!
Thanks man I kinda figured my receptors are pretty saturated at this point but I want to get a little more out of this cycle. I got bronchitis at the beginning of the cycle and it lasted like 6 weeks and I've been on for about 11. So during those 6 weeks my appetite was shot, I was getting down 2500 calories if I was lucky. Probably should have just stopped the cycle but I kept thinking it would clear up. So I just want another few pounds of muscle out of this cycle if possible, and I have been wanting to use superdrol forever.
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