starting a bulk cycle, finishing with a cut
Age: 37
Ht:6'
Wt: 203
Bf: 17%
starting with: weeks 1- 5: Test C 500 mg/wk
Weeks 1- 10: Deca 250 mg/ wk
Weeks 1- 6: Dbol 40 mg/ ed
Weeks 1-18: arimidex/anastrozol.25 /ed
Weeks 5-16: test prop 50mg/ eod
Weeks 10-16: tren e 75mg/ eod
Weeks 8-16:400-500 iu hcg / 4-5th day
Weeks 8-14: winny 50 mg / eod
Weeks 8-14: T3 cytomel 50-75 mcg/ eod
Weeks 8,9; 12,13; 16,17: clen 80-100 mcg/ ed
Weeks 1- 24 : hgh 8 iu's/eod
PCT
Week 17: Nolva 40mg/ed; Clomid 100 mg/ ed
Week 18: Nolva 30 mg/ ed; Clomid 50 mg/ ed
Week 19: Nolva 20 mg/ ed; Clomid 50 mg/ ed
My diet will consist of 70% protein with 2 per pound and carbs at 20 % and fat at 10 %
Workout consists of swimming 7000yards ed in morning/ 5days wk with heavy lift in evening
and boxing and MMA workout at night
I kept a long ester Test to start with the bulk and the 19 nor deca vor once a wk pinning
when the cut starts Ill pin eod and transfer the 19 nor from deca to tren, but counter that with hcg. I know the tren will kill my endurance and I might skip the clen if im swimming still in am. Is it more beneficial to pin ed with splitting the tren and winny or doesnt it matter, I really dont wanna pin ed. I was an army ranger for 5 years and did 4 cycles before, wasaddicted to heroin after the military and am clean for a year and want to get back to my shape. Am I overoinb it, ill take any and all comments and take them seriously. Thank you for your time.
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Looks like a ton of compounds. What if you drop all the extra stuff and do a test only cycle? Diet and training on point And I bet results would be stellar without all the advanced stuff. I'm by no means an expert but is cycle looks hectic. Just my 2 cents.
No you're not. It doesn't work that way. People may disagree, let them. People may disagree that the earth is round. Great. For them, we have The Flat Earth Society http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
Let's be realistic, even if just for a moment. Try. You're 203 at 17% body fat. That's a lean mass of 167 lbs. Your 6 feet tall. You have no muscle mass. None to speak of. Certainly not enough to benefit from chemicals!
You need to loose body fat. At least let's get it down to a true and real 12%. You will weigh 179 lbs after losing 24 lbs of FAT. No steroids, no thyroid meds, no clen, nada, zilch.
There is nothing more to talk about at this time. There is a diet clinic going that can help you. I recommend you join it.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM........... THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +3 best advice in this thread period.
Thank you for all of your input. What if I split it up and just start the bulk. With 250 Test C / wk/ 10 wks and 250 deca/wk for 12 wks and go 30mgs/ ed dbol......this is a pre arranged cycle my brother from 1st batt gave me
No. Read my post.
Listen man. You need to read up some more before you start anything. Test and Deca at the same dose = limp dick and milky titties. And you got it backwards, end Deca before test. Just do a Test only when you decide to cycle.
OP lacks understanding of basic cycle info. I agree with a single compound of Test Cyp/Enan only because we probably cant keep him from using AAS and it is possible to decrease BF and promote anabolism, which in turn helps keep him in a positive nitrogen balance. However, his cardio and diet macros are going to have to be spot on. In addition, hopefully we can open his mind up enough so that OP can follow links that GearHead posted about the diet clinic.
You're right, most do it anyways.
I need to see his BW and determine how old it is. Some guys are just harder to get through to...
Put him on a ketogenic diet. I understand your view on this. I just can't see my way clear to putting someone so light weight on anabolics. I know it goes on here time and again. I just can't / don't comment on every instance of this. The guy is my age. No spring chicken. No justification in my mind to start shutting his system down when he is so FAT. If u start with the chemicals, then u got all this exogenous test and all his adipose tissue to deal with - multiple blood tests with an AI to control E2 - more fat, more aromatization, blah & double blah.
I agree he has to get his BF down. He could actually be closer to 20%. With that in mind, i would never think of telling him he needed anything other than diet and cardio. And, a ketogenic diet plus revamping his cardio with HIIT would do him wonders. I dont know his BW results because he never posted them. They would be helpful. Maybe he will read what we are posting and he can understand what he needs to do.
You know, bro, I'm on this big cut and just threw the Tren back in, and sure enough - it's making me MOODY. LOL. No attitude intended bro, I like your posts very much.
No problem...its all good...i like it when we EROID bros discuss issues and make things happen....its good spot help...lol!!!
I have jumped back on some serious cardio since June. I am waiting to get BF down and then start up a run. I like the results i am getting. Being 41 makes looking decent harder....lol!! So, i keep doing what we do to make it happen...
I am not trying to set u off or cramp your style but you need to stick with one compound. I will explain in the following posts.
Too many compounds. Two 19-nors is heavy shit, even if you are splitting them up. Deca won't really do much for you unless you run it for 12 weeks or more. Tren is a bad idea for a fifth cycle. At 17% bodyfat, the Dbol is just going to blow you up even more. Trying to bulk then cut in the same cycle is extremely difficult to pull off unless you have a ton of experience with AAS and diet. Ugh. It would take hours to explain all the reasons your cycle is fuckered up.
So, how about a cycle like this:
Weeks 1-14 - Test C 500mgs per week
Weeks 3-14 - Arimidex .25 EOD
Weeks 8-14 - Clen 80mcg ED
Weeks 12-15 - HCG 500iu EOD
PCT should start at week 16. Use 100mg Clomid, 40mg Nolva and 25mg Aromasin ED for the first two weeks. Then go to 50 Clomid, 20 Nolva and 12.5 Aromasin for the next two weeks.
If you want to run an oral during the beginning of your cycle, I would suggest Anavar, rather than Dbol, because it is much milder and won't cause as much bloat.
Now, are you ready to start talking about your diet? What's your projected daily caloric intake?
Well here's a challenge for you cycle advisors, fix this guy up!
Wait...your serious? LMAO
Get some test E or C and maybe an oral kicker and start eating. You may want to eat some more carbs. 20% ain't shit on gear. You overthought this one. Way too many drugs. Your system will rebel. You got healthy. Let's stay healthy. Good luck.
Definently going overboard bro..I'm a recovering junkie and I know how beat up I was physically and mentally when I got clean.. that's way to many compounds and will end up fucking u up..keep it simple and run a simple test only to start..and down the road u can run some advanced cycles possibly if your ready..but not now bro, ur body is just getting use to not having dope in it, and dumping 11 desperate compounds into ur system is pure insanity..don't do it man I'm warning you that u will regret it.TEST ONLY to start up again bud.
Okay....SMFH...lol!! Praetorian....lets get that PCT straight, first. Next, you gotta tell me what other AAS (cough cough) cycles you have successfully completed, please.
Moreover, you cant do all those drugs you posted. Okay?
Lets get back to the basics and bust out the 8 pack crayons and start from scratch.
SMFH again!!
Im not even gonna try to start here because all it will create is upset and butthurt........... i will leave the thread now with my dignity intact.
Yup I'm coming with you.
Jeeeeeez!! What were your other 4 cycles? This planned cycle is EXTRAVAGANT...
Yes you are overdoing it. What are your goals? What do you want to achieve?
Wtf is this lol. I'm to burned out to help this guy. Please take care of him and get him on a basic cycle.
I was gonna ride with y'all...lol!!!
Also forgot im splitting the dbol with 20mg in am and 20mg at night, also got baseline blood test. Should I get some IGF-1 to use with the T3 and hgh?
Please, share your bloodwork results. Thank you, sir.
I don't know what to say other than good luck.