Second Cycle - (first cycle was hit and miss)
Alright lads,
New to the forum and this is my first post. I have used this forum and others over the past few months trying to educate myself as much as I can. No matter how much reading I do I will always value other peoples opinions so I decided to do post on my cycle.
I have trained all my life and played rugby untill the age of 25. I have been in and out of the gym since I stopped playing, generally train all year round but tend to go loose over christmas.
Ok so in January 2014 I naively decided to do a cycle with a gym mate who managed to get his hands and some test p and tren e. Anything he told me I took as gospel, this was my first mistake. I didn't mind the pinning EOD but I did not anticipate the night sweets or other sides caused my tren. It was a bit heavy to be honest. Second mistake was there was only enough gear to last us both 6 weeks (which I only found out about in week6) so the cycle ran short. Last and final mistake was not being prepared for PCT, which if I am honest, I did not cycle in the end.
With the above in mind, I was actually pretty happy with the results. I had put on good lean muscle and was in the best condition I have ever been. 84kg 10%bf. Albeit the completely wrong way to go about your first cycle! Lesson learnt!
I kept this condition and trained hard till about Aug and slipped from Sept to Jan. I was 90kg and 18% bf.
Here are my current stats
Weight - 88kg
Height - 5ft 10
Diet - 2200 calories (50% protein, 35% fats, 15% carbs)
BF - 15% +
I am only running a deficit to reduce BF before I cycle. I will ramp up my calories once I am at an acceptable BF!
Cycle
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 1.25mg EOD (100mg/ml)
Weeks 1- 8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
T3 - Looking for some advice on best way to include in my cycle
PCT - 4 weeks
Clomid
Aromasin (is this needed for pct???)
Other Supps
Fish Oils
BCAA
Milk thistle
I have been training steadily since January, minimum 3 days strength training each week but my diet was crap. No cardio.
I am 2 weeks into super strict diet and 5 days training each week. 3 days strength, 2 days interval sprints. 2 days rest.
Current diet and food intake below;
7:00am - pre workout - Banana, 1lt water
9:00am - post workout - 500ml liquid egg whites, scoop of whey (in May I will be adding Oats to my shake)
12:00pm -Chicken or turkey breast, spinach, olive oil
3:00pm - Chicken or turkey breast, spinach, olive oil
5:00pm - 500ml liquid egg whites, scoop of whey
I rotate between chicken, fish or beef depending on how Im feeling. Likewise with broccoli.
If im feeling hungry I will have a protein shake here and there.
My thought process behind this is to add as much lean muscle as possible while losing BF.
I am going to start my cycle May 1st. Any thoughts or opinions are welcome and I will be keeping this thread open in the form of a weekly diary as soon as I start! Mad excited!!
Thanks lads
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RustyhookerYour gym and foods are seriously lacking. Gear is a waste of time and money. Given the stats, you should be up 215+ lbs just with proper food and gym.
General....up top the food stickies. Hit 215 minimum first buddy or its a toss
Fkn hell bro... i have more food stuck between my teeth than you have on that list lol..
Good luck but dont expect much size gain eating budgie food portions like that.......... you need to work on flavours and different textures, that diet of yours would have me bored senseless and punching holes in walls after a day or two.
It would be a good idea to stay away from steroids and spend the next 2 - 3 years getting your diet on track and by that I mean eating like you want to build muscle rather than play ping pong and also get your training program correct and ensure its constant, if you expect to make gains it's needs to be something that you can whole heartedly dedicated time to each day rather than just when it suits...
Rather than just fill this with diet and training info which almost all of the guys below already know...have a look over the relevant sections for this info or I've sent you a FR so I can PM you and hold your hand through it for the start off, eitherway... Anabolics are not for you right now.
appreciate your comments. Didnt get the FR request, do add me tho as I would like to have a chat. Seems everyone is over looking why I am on such a calorie deficit. Just trying to shed some more BF before I begin. My intake will be right back up before I start!
It's pending mate...u need to accept it
that diet is terrible, the turkey breast is reall the only real food i see. most guys around here would seriously starve with that diet, your whole diet for the day is less than most standard breakfast, looks like a diet for a recovering anorexic teenage girl.
AnonDo you ever feel hungry? Seriously, your first 3 meals of the day could be my breakfast sometimes. I'm almost certain you can achieve whatever goal you want by modifying your diet.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Get in there and get some help.
Yeah im bloody starving!!! Im purely running a calorie deficit to drop some BF before I start. I will be back up at 3000 for my cycle.
Cheers for the link!
Lol right I'm at 2200 cals by meal 2-3 the latest. Id be starving if that was my daily intake. I started cutting last year on 3000 and the lowest I went was 2500.
Why are you cutting?........... you need to jam on some size you little fuck
Trying not to nosey fucker...but gotta ask.. What the hell happened here
Who said I was cutting ? I said eat his total daily calorie intake by meal 2 or 3.
AnonI'm right around there, I need about 3500 calories to maintain my current weight and BF% (current profile stats). Which doesn't even feel like a whole lot of food. This is the heaviest I have managed to stay at for an extended period of time without adding body fat so I'm happy with it. Once I start my cycle next week I'll be upping it about 500 calories every 2 weeks until I top out at about 5500-6000, nice steady lean gains.
Seems like you're not in the slightest bit committed to training to me. I'm not offering steroids advice to someone in this position personally.
I should have been more elaborate in my introduction. I have been training / lifting weights since the age of 17, I played rugby up until the age of 25 and in and out of the gym since i stopped. I trained up till November 2014 and did absolutely nothing for the month of December but pigged out. I went from 84kg - 91kg but have been training hard again as of late.
It happens bro. A lot of people end up doing something stupid like this on their first cycle. Few questions for you, and things you need to do. Blood work. You didn't do pct do you need to do blood work to see where you test levels are. Regardless of if you did pct or not blood work is necessary to see where you stand. You may find you have low test and I would not be a good idea to start another cycle until you get your test levels back to where they should be.
Second why are you only eatinf 2200 cals a day at 195lbs? What's your goals for this cycle? Going by what your proposing it looks like cutting but why cut at 10% bf at 195? Even if you're cutting that's to little food. Don't waste your first real cycle on cutting use it to blow up and grow like a weed. First cycle gains are hard to duplicate I wouldn't waste it on cutting especially since you're already lean. Forget the test p, stick with a simple test e cycle for 12 weeks. Forget the t3 first off it's catabolic as hell and it has some potential very negative side effects. Of your diet is good you don't need t3. https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/noobs-guide-on-h...
Read this and study all the topics and then some. It's a good place to start to have you prepared to run a cycle. Then come up with a proposal for a 12 week test e cycle with proper pct and estrogen control.
Appreciate your reply. I haven't had any blood work yet, I had not planned on starting till May and trip to my doctor before hand is not a problem.
I was eating 3000cals or there about until the end of March. I think theres some confusion in my intro, I was previously 10%, started slipping from september 2014 and when my diet went out the window I just pigged out, kept training but kept eating! Im now about 16% so I have dropped my cal intake and have been hitting cardio pretty hard, 20 min interval sprints 5 days. I will reduce that down to two days when I change my programme in May.
I am trying to shed as much body fat in the next 3 weeks as possible. After which I will keep a vary high protein diet with little carbs for the duration of my cycle. I had only planned on eating to maintenance level throughout the cycle. I find it hard to hit the 3,000 plus on a really clean diet.
No experience with T3, only used clen over the last few years. Appreciate the feedback
Cycle
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 1.25mg EOD
Weeks 1- 8 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
T3 - Looking for some advice on best way to include in my cycle
Bro, stop with the steroids. Really. You're 5' 10" and 194 lbs. If you were 220+ I might engage you in a serious conversation. You have little gym time, you're eating like a bird for whatever reason - diet needs an overhaul and you are proposing fucking around with thyroid drugs. Do you have any appreciation for how dangerous that is? You claim to be 10% BF. OK. What are your lifts - squat, deadlift and bench? Just want to see if that jives with 194 lbs. at 10%. Anyways, you need a couple more years of gym time without roids to build a base. 8 weeks of prop - what exactly are you trying to do. I can't figure it out. Tell me.
When I read what you have proposed I think of it as part of this problem:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/things-must-change.......
Thanks for the reply. I think I answered some of your questions in my other reply but if I have missed anything just shout.
What Im currently hitting in the gym at the moment
Squat - 5x5 last set 130kg
Bench - 5x5 last set 75kg
Deadlift is not in my programme at the moment but last time I think I was maxing out at 200kg
Squat - heavy set 287 lbs.
Bench - heavy set 165 lbs.
Dead lift max. 441 lbs.
Bro, I'm giving you +2 karma points for being honest. Honesty on the internet is so rare. Bro, for steroids to work, you need to develop a natural muscle base. That requires 2-3 years of drug free lifting and dieting. With the strength level that you have, you don't have much muscle base and you are not a suitable candidate to be using performance enhancing drugs. At least not at this time. There isn't enough muscle on your frame for the steroids to be effective. You need to put the work in first bro. There is no way of short circuiting the muscle building process through an early or premature introduction of drugs. Bro, if you really were 194 sitting at 10% BF and you had a couple of years of training under your belt, the numbers on those basic compound lifts would be way higher. Either your BF estimate is way off or you are simply untrained. BTW, there is nothing that's gonna add mass as effectively as heavy deadlifts. You should put that back in your training ASAP.
Appreciate your reply mate. Seems to be so much misunderstanding on my post. Im not at 10% BF, that was my peak last summer. Im probably sitting at about 15% + at the moment. I have severely reduced my calorie intake to try drop as much BF before I start my cycle.
I will get back up to the 3000 range by May. Hitting 350g protein.
Stats i listed are what im hitting in the gym at the moment and not my PB's. Trying to keep my strength while hitting as much cardio as possible. This will obviously shift when I start cycle.
Cheers mate
Use the magnifying glass to search for PCT. It consists of Nolva/Clomid as a base for four weeks. Figure out the dosages through searching.
2200 calories? That sounds like not enough calories for even maintenance weight. What are you goals? What is your diet?
What do you mean since January? January 2015?
Prop @1.25mg doesn't tel us anything since we don't know your concentration.
FORGET about T3.
Hope I answered your questions above, appreciate your reply. I have also edited my intro as its a bit misleading.
No experience with t3, used clen over the last few years.
Prop is 100mg/ml