Second Cycle!!!
Getting stoked for my second cycle. Keeping it simple. First cycle was Test E and Dbol. Got some good gains but noticed a lot of water retention from Dbol. Going more for a clean diet this time around to get quality lean gains.
Male
6'2"
205 pounds
16% bf
3500-4000 clean calories/daily
600mg TE weeks 1-12 split mon/thur
50 mg Anavar daily weeks 4-12
PCT
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50
I kept Aromasin on hand for last cycle but never used it as sides never occurred besides a little hair receding. I read on a lot of pages people taking it EOD no matter what cycle. I have done my research and I understand what it does but still don't know if I should take it. Also, HCG is another item I see people incorporating in their cycle. My nuts shriveled up to high hell on my first cycle but came back fine after PCT. Should I take either or keep Aromasin on hand? Any ideas on the hair receding issue? Sorry for all the questions just want to get it right!!! Thanks fellas
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AnonAromasin 12.5mg EOD continuing until to PCT then...
Week 1 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 2 PCT Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Week 3 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Week 4 PCT Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
You may consider running 6.25mg EOD on Weeks 1-4 if you feel 12.5mg is too strong here is your pct bro
Thanks bro!
I'm not sure I like this one for you, but I'll let the other fellas critique that var. everyone seems to have a decent handle on the consensus here. Personally, I'd role with enanthate for 12 weeks and close out with a 2-3 week prop taper.
I will say a couple things:
1) aromasin should be started week 3 and ran for the duration, not just incase. Keep those e2 levels under control from the start and get more out of your cycle. Let them flare then try to counteract and you'll be scrambling and hoping for the best. Easier to control at the front than react and correct.
2) that nolvadex dose needs to be doubled, unless you're running your aromasin during pct. if that's the case, you have it right.
Here's more info on AI's if you care to read
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed-...
Wasn't really looking forward to pinning Ed or eod. Was gonna work myself up to that maybe in third cycle. What do you not like about the var? Thanks
I'm not talking about pinning ed or EOD, either... I'm talking about 500mg/ week of enanthate for 12 weeks. Then possibly a prop taper to provide for a more gradual decline in plasma levels leading into pct. this will help you avoid the sides associated with the sudden and progressive drops in serum test as enanthate wears off. For this part, you would need to pin EOD. Preparation should be take. During the course of your cycle to ensure you're familiar with site rotation and injection sites are acclimated to the pinning before starting the more frequent injections.
No var because you still haven't fully grasped how your body responds to test only. One compound at a time brother. You need to be able to identify what sides are caused by which compound before adding another.
Gains are made in the kitchen. Emphasize the diet and training, not the gear. Gear only speeds up the processes you're stimulating.
The two reasons I chose var was because its supposed to help keep gains and it has very low androgenic properties. If you think I should hold off on it I will.
I already picked up the test e and it's dosed at 300mg/ml. That okay?
I like the idea of tapering off with prop as its in the beginners section of cycles but The thought of pinning anywhere besides the glutes freaks me out. Guess ill just have to man up and hit quads
My suggestion is to hold off on the var til next cycle. Var works better with short esters, IMO. So, this cycle, lets focus on establishing a base with a long ester and adapt to the more frequent pinning required with short ester (prop). You'll benefit from the prop at the tail end. Then next cycle, I'll show you how to add that var for a nice cut after a decent bulk. Sound fair?
Week 1-12 test e 500-600/wk
Week 13-15 test prop 100 EOD
Week 3-15 aromasin 6.25 - 12.5 ED
Pct starts 3 days after last prop pin
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Aromasin: 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Time off: 19 weeks (time on + pct = time off)
Looks awesome. I'm going to get prop on order. How about hcg? Should I order a kit and incorporate that as well?
It won't hurt.
Anon+1 here was waiting for someone to say the pct is crabby pattys or natties......yes jus run the aro week 3 thru pct and keep nolva dose same....aro at6.25 ed should be a steady dose
Monstar what does tomkoks post ^^^ above mean? What's wrong with running long ester and Anavar? Then he talks about arimidex when I'm talking about aromasin
Don't sweat his advice. Someone questing a long ester on a beginner cycle has no business giving advice.
Ok good. I wasn't really understanding what he was trying to get at
X2! and to add to Doss's layout, realistically, you should be getting bloods to confirm your E2 during cycle. You said you noticed that you were getting bloated which is a sign of high estrogen. Did you get bloods post PCT to confirm you rebounded and got a baseline? Really can't stress this enough, GET BLOOD WORK. With out blood work, everything you're doing is guessing.
Will do. Thanks bro
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Muscleg33k8 weeks of anavar might be too harsh on your liver. Use 6 weeks instead.
RustyhookerAro keeps estro in check. Even if nips aren't itchy at least 6.75ed after week 4. Bloidtest at week 6 will help you out hugely!
Hcg....if you did shrivel up you can keep plump with 500iu/mon-thur split. Helps keep the gains. Always use ai with dbol, hcg,, and high aromatizers.
Var is up to you since its a finishing agent. It really shows on a lean body as does anything. It'll help your strength boost but i always advise keep reps above 8 on cycle. Muscles grow faster than connective tissues. If you choose the var then 6 Weeks up to pct.
8-14 75/day split morn/night was my sweet spot. Watch for cramping.
Thanks bro. Just sent you a fr. Wanted to pm a question
RustyhookerWill fire up laptop and accept tonight. Dang phone isn't so smart :(