posted Sat, 10/27/2012 - 19:50
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Relatively New, seek advise on next cycle
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I have run a Test-C cycle, and have run a Test cycle with Dbol. I am interested in running a cycle with Inject Tren and would like some info/advise on how to structure it. What are the major plus/minuses to Trenbolone Enanthate versus Trenbolone Acetate? What sort of health precautions should I be taking when adding Tren into a cycle? Why do I see people pair tren with Test-P rather than C/E? Feel free to send me models of suggested cycles.
Also, what are the best precautions to use to prevent liver damage when taking Dbol, I use milk thistle.
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Ok, I have been talked out of using Tren this spring. I intend to continue taking AAS, but will slow my role. I am sure I will be using Test injections, anyone care to suggest additions for what will be 3rd cycle? I have used Test and Dbol. I hope to be about 6foot 255, high body fat %.
i've done this one a couple times and it's good for gains.
test e @ 250mg e3d x 12 weeks
dbol @ 40-50mg ed x 4 or 6 weeks depending on preference. some say 6 is too toxic for liver. i prefer 4
adex @ .25 eod x 12 weeks
hcg @ 250 iu e3d starting 4th week till last pin
start pct 2 weeks after last pin
clomid @ 100mg x 2 weeks ed, then 50 mg x 2 weeks ed
nolva @ 40mg x 2 weeks ed, then 20 mg x 2 weeks ed
if you think the doses are low, it's not about the amount of mg that matters or the amount of compounds you're stacking. it's a combination of exceeding your tdee calorie intake (if you're not sure what that is, look it up, it's crucial for succes in gaining with and without gear) as well as consistant diet through out the day so your body is always anabolic and growing. its what to eat and when, with proper training, and rest. i feel diet is 33.3% combined with training 33.3% and proper rest 33.3% if those aren't balanced you're not maximizing your potential. good luck!
did u get my message i sent to you? check it
long story short bro: if you've done your research on tren, you know the sides are pretty shitty. the main difference between tren a and e are the esters. acetate is a short ester, enanthate is a longer ester. esters are how you determine when they effect you. short esters mean they effect you faster and are in your system for short terms. so this being said people do tren a with test p because they're both short esters, pinning times, and if you can't handle the sides (insomnia, night sweats, crazy appetite, always being hot, aggression, ridiculous libido, tren cough... etc) then you can get off quickly and the sides will go away faster. i didn't even get passed the third response to read to the bottom so i'm assuming you're trying to justify using it regardless of the vets here, but i remember my first tren experience and i'm honestly surprised i thought about it a second time... the first time i had a cough fit was fucking nuts and being a pin cushion gets old after the 5th week of eod pinning. i guess if you don't listen you'll figure it out but i'd just keep it simple until you can't gain anymore using basic knowledge of cycle, training, diet, and sleep.
cdaddy7I feel like raging right now like my homie Z!!!!
What part of no Tren are u having trouble understanding?...it is repeated from the bottom up on this thread, yet u keep mentioning it and HGH and u have one or two cycles and ur making statements why wait....this quite possibly is the dumbest thread I have read....these guys are trying to give advice based on our own personal fuck ups with immaturely using major compounds too early....how can u even weigh Tren A and Tren E on the same scale....that tells me u are goin to have a real bad tren experience bc one is short and other long....the reason we say one compound at a time and no Tren unless u have done 10 cycles is bc u need to learn your diet, training and body before using Tren UNLESS u are a professional bodybuilder....now if u are going to board the Cluster Fuck Tren Train then by all means go ahead but I'm pretty sure that is not one reputable vet that's goin to cosign this shit....u need to RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH...u need to check ur diet out bc there are plenty of alternatives that u can consider to give u "Tren like" results without jacking urself all up....get in this site and do some research before u have some major regrets....ur statements to logan I find most disturbing....u really need to reconsider this path ur on
its simple brother you say no tren and if they dont listen oh well, let him run some tren-e its ok, no need to get worked up its just the way it is sometimes. LOL if he dont want to listen then let him figure it out on his own.
My stats are updated, will get body fat % up in next few days.
Want to see some stats here please before any cycle advice.
tren is an advanced user steroid. look under some more posts in those forums bro. ppl have died, these compounds we put in our body are not to be taken lightly.
Third cycle is way to soon for tren my man. That shouldn't come to the 8th or higher. Why do you feel the need to use tren? Even at an 8th cycle we still need stats. Height weight bf% and waist measurment along with body composition. This will give us a picture in our heads of what you look like so we can give you the best advice possible. But off the bat get tren out of your head, it's a horrible idea.
I updated stats, I have read about all the chemicals out there and other then Tren, the only other thing I want to try is HGH, I just can't afford it. I want to try Tren because it is the best, why waste time with the rest.
You suggest waiting. If I run 6 or 7 cycles with just Test and a few orals will that help me be ready? I understand that Tren is advanced, that is why I want advice on how to prepare for problems if "jump" into it.
In my honest opinion i dont think you are ready for aas bro based by your stats and the questions your asking,, i think what you need is a good diet and start training hard..U can pm me anytime and i'll help u with a good diet and workout routine... Just my 2 cents though bro at the end of the day its all up to you.
cdaddy7Best Damn advice given in this thread bro!!!! +1 well said....mayb u can get him on the right track
Someone had to come out and say it man.... Thanks bro i'll do
My best to help this guy out no doubt...
Tren E is a terrible idea. Imho deca or tren should be the very last steroids you ever touch, you have just hit the tip of the ice berg and there are many many other compounds to try before dipping in the 19nor pool
You should have 5-10 cycles under your belt before you run tren.
no tren!
DO SOME MORE RESEARCH PLEASE.
I don't mean to be a jerk, but I posted this rather than just ordering because I wanted more info/research. Can you tell me that best sites/sources for quality information? I really do want to learn.
then read the stickies and use the search function up in the right hand corner. Thats how you research, you ask questions when you cant find the answers. Most of the stuff I learned from members asking questions and then I would do a google seach/site search to find the answers.
If ur asking all those questions man DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER TREN,,,, i take it your in your 2nd or third cycle right,,,
POST YOUR STATS!
what are your stats? and what are you going for here?are you a skinny yougster tryin to bulk or an old guy leaning out. you can get better advice if you fill out your profile. if you have never used tren i would go with the ace its easier to come off of.and the dbol isnt that toxic to liver it is but its not that bad to worry about damage winsotrol is the toxic one. but if your gonna use tren i personally see no point in running the dbol in the cycle. you could though.iwouldnt advise you to do tren at this point for you though.
I posted stats. I was a HS/college athlete but never used any PEDs back then. I got jobs/kids and got FAT. I hate being fat, have used P90X videos for strength training, have run a cycle of Test, and one with Test and Dbol. I have lost fat, added muscle and am getting ready to come off second cycle(with Dbol) and am anxiously planning my next. Just need to get my $ right, plan the cycle, and hope it all comes in the mail on time. I would love to try HGH as I played sports with the reckless abandon of someone making millions even if I was only playing racket ball with friends for pride and have many aches/pains/damage that I hear HGH can help with. The problem with that is I can't afford it. Other than that, Tren seems to be the best you can get...
I would love your advice.