+ 2 Question on deca and test e cycle!! Please help
I'm currently on my second cycle of 500 test e and 250 deca a week.. I'm on my 6th week already, I'm thinking of stopping the deca becasue I'm getting a lot of pressure in my head. By the mid to end of day.. none omg is ok. I'm taking . 5 arimidex eod, I've never felt this.. my first cycle was 500 test e and it was perfect, no E2 issues and the did pct and everything came back great!!! Also I'm 30 years old.. I was 230 lbs 6 weeks ago and now I'm about 250 lbs 5' 8"".. should I back off the deca and stay on test... my blood pressure I think was 144 over 79 but before I started this cycle I had a physical and was 120 over 80... so i wanted to know from you vets out there what I should do... stop the deca??? Stop the test as well or continue with the test and just drop deca for any sides to calm down?
Supports are... sal palmetto, red yeast rice, hawthorn, multivitamin, fish oil and milk thistle
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Anyone know if I should still take hcg I have on hand even though I cut my deca at 5 weeks?
Testrogen_PropC...It's up to you brother. Have you got bloodwork done? Are your grapes shrunk at all from normal size? If you do use it make sure you use it at the tail end of the cycle and not in PCT
I haven't gotten bloods yet... my balls shrunk a little not a huge amount... and I was going to start it at week 12 and take it for 2 weeks up until pct
RustyhookerNo bloods, huge adex dose....guess you like to just guess your way thru? Smh...
No, I actually stopped the arimidex and I started aromasin becasue it's better for your lipids.. anyway I usually just do it twice a week becasue my body is smooth with 500 mg of test... I know I'm my e2 is good Becasue I feel great now, a lot of energy and my libido is sky high still
No problem Rock...glad to hear your feeling better. Keep us in the loop
RustyhookerWeek 6 and bp.......ever look at hydration? Or too much hydration? High no can be water too low or salt too high.
Piss color?
You're also eating a huge load of adex . You prove your ideas with bloods?
Piss color is as clear ans the water I drink lol
How much time off did you take between these cycles? Very possible your CBC numbers were not fully recovered before you dove into your second cycle. This causes your already high (but within range) hematocrit, hemo, and rbc's to elevate quickly. I have done this before, and could explain why first cycle went so smooth, but this is posing problems.
A year, been a year since my last cycle 10/3/15 was my first test e cycle
Also I don't see prolactin being a issue here considering, I get hard for no reason 12 times a day and no issue having a orgasim..... also not holding water either.. but nothing is certain until we get bloods
Besides what has been already stated. You may be snoring your ass off and got some sleep apnea due to the 20 lbs in 6 weeks. That itself will give a constant headache. Get your blood donated anyways, won't hurt to do so. Have someone check if you're nreathing properly while asleep.
Usually I goto bed at 9:30 10 becasue I train before work at 4:30 am and I'm sleeping before my wife and she would tell me.. she tells me when I'm off gear if I snore
Ok I found a blood drive tomorrow morning first thing!! That's what I'll be doing.. as of now I'll take these. Any asprins every 4 hours.... any recommendations as to what to say and how to donate without them knowing even though my blood pressure is a little high?
Very good.
Do not say you are taking steroids! They will not take your blood. Your bp will not be an issue to donate. +2
Donated today, my blood pressure was 160 over 80... :( however my iron was 15.2 which is perfect! Anyway my head feels a lot better
bp was a big issue for me on this same thing mine wae much higher tho around 200/100 average i had to take alot precautions to get it down and keep it down i started taking a proprietary blend supplement for bp which helped i cut out the preworkout supps and caffeine in general. have to be careful with bp brother shit will make you feel like youre dying
i was running 500 test c and 250 deca with caber cant remember the dose off hand ill have to look at my written log but i ended up cutting the deca at 7 weeks which wss 3 weeks earlier than i wanted and finished with just test c and aromasin anf by the end of the 12 weeks my bp was back to normal and the deca killed my appetite it returned to normal after a few weeks as well. ill never use a 19nor again ever
Wow insane man!! Thanks for your input on this! I gave blood yesterday.. I started taking the green tea supps... I drink about a gallon and a half of water. A day now... I eat apsolutely no sodium.. I do 25 minutes of cardio a day.. also I use all those other on cycle supports... now my last pin of deca was Monday.. I was supposed to take 125 mg Thursday but didn't only took 250 mg of test e.. do you think I should continue my 250 mg of test e this Monday or give it a week becasue I still have the 500 in my system from last week... I'm also taking aromasin now becasue that's really good for test bloat.. I have liquid prami that I've been a little worried to open up lol becasue of all the sides I hear about.. I was thinking of riding it out until all the deca is out of my system... however today it's been 24 hours since i donates and I just killed shoulders and I'm feeling somewhat better.. oh and I don't take a pre workout
As long as I'm drinking plenty of water I don't worry about sodium at all. I actually add sodium into my diet to make up for all I sweat out during my sweaty ass cardio and weight sessions. I think athletes (bodybuilders) require more sodium than average joes. Now if you are eating all kinds of processed food then you are likely getting a good dose of sodium already but remember that all garbage food does is build garbage. Most of my food comes from my garden, my chicken coop, the woods, lake or my neighbors grass fed beef that I have to add sodium to my diet.
well i can tell you no sodium is not a good idea youll hear a lot of bad things about sodium but it is important to have it just like everything else. i was having twitching a cramping problems because i was literally doing the same thing drinking over a gallon of water with mow sodium. the water is flushing the little bit you have out and you need some sodium in your diet. as far as riding the test out ill let someone else touch base on that one... get some salt in your system
Rustyhookerno sodium whatsoever
You realize electrolyte imbalances?
I'm sure I get some lol especially in oatmeal and stuff, when i meal prep I don't add any however I eat salads from my wife and she puts a little sea salt in there
That BP is not good. You need to drop some water. Start taking 5-10g of vit C daily. Start with 5g and work your way up if needed. Also start taking some dandelion root. This should help shed some of the excess water you are carrying and hopefully help with the BP issue.
+2 for the donation
Some green tea will help too. Piss it out
Good anti-oxidants and bioflavinoids too. I have tried green tea pills that worked pretty good too. Have to take them with a meal though. I took them on an empty stomach and was dry heaving 20mins later. lol
I'm gonna go pick up Some bio-flavonoids as well
Never took the pills. I find that anytime we drink warm water and with green tea in it, it just opens the flood gates. Never had bp problems but I see that water retention is a prime culprit.
I see that too
Also my heart beat is 62 beats a minute oh I also get that white coat thing when i get my blood pressure test... now at 15.2 is my iron... will I have a issue with hemochromatosis
No.
That's a relief.. I have a buddy hats a fighter and he says go into a bath with epson salt for 30 minutes and it will take the water out and dry you out.. he does it for a fight to drop weight
You can try it, never heard of that before. Unless you are going to be doing it everyday I would just stick with the natural diuretics.
Yea it takes out 5-10 lbs of water at a shot
Ok will do and I hope I get instant relief from that... also I have shoulders tomorrow.. you recommend me taking off until Monday to get my body right again or I can still kill it lol
Take tomorrow off. Hit them Sun or Mon.
Alright man thanks!! I'll keep you guys posted on how I'm feeling, never felt this way with just test e and I'm only taking 250 deca split into 2 shots crazy how powerful the drug is... also if I'm feeling better after the donation you think I can continue with just 500 mg of test?
Your welcome. Let's see how you feel in a few days then we can reassess what to do next.
Sounds great! Thanks!
what does your bloodwork say? you should have it at the beggining, middle and end of the cycle. like it was said i would drop deca.
Yes I dropped the deca and I took one before cycle.. haven't taken one yet however I'm going tomorrow morning to give blood
GnarkillLike makwa said the headache is probably from the blood pressure i take a asprin every morning and my BP is perfect. Also could be from holding so much water weight. deca is a 19-nor and you might have high prolactin one main sign of high prolactin is limp dick or not being able to orgasm in that case you would take a caber .25 twice a week to lower prolactin but get bloods done before throwing anything new in. Make sure your eating enough and drinking tons of water good luck bro
My libido brother is higher now then when I was just on test alone.. my water intake is over a gallon a day... and I don't feel or look bloated...my muscles just look bigger like there filled with water
unreal89If you just started it hawthorne it will spike bloodpressure
Really I didn't know that! Probably 2 1/2 weeks ago
unreal89Have you been on the hawthorne berry for some time?
Used it my whole 1st cycle and now this cycle, started it 3 weeks into this one
Your BP is jacked that is why you are getting headaches. If you can't get that BP lowered you better bail on the cycle completely. It is not good for your kidneys, it is not good for your heart, it is not good for anything. Sounds like you got a shit ton of bloat. 20lbs in 6 weeks is alot of water to be carrying around. Get some bloodwork done to see where estro/prolactin is at because something is really out of whack and bloating you.
Just wanted to let you know I'm very grateful for your help and wanted to say thanks becasue I'm feeling so much better!
How long do you think sides from deca will stop after I discontinue use?
Unfortunately with Deca it is a looong ester is and is going to take a loooong time to clear from your system. Give it at least 3-4 wks. Smartest thing to do is get bloodwork to check for prolactin and if elevated get on some caber to knock it back. Going to be quicker than waiting for everything to clear your system and normalize if that is the case.
Question for you???? If my hemoglobin levels are high will they question me tomorrow about it? Becasue they test for that before the actual donation at American Red Cross, you'll have to forgive me it's my first donation