Proposed Cycle Assistance
What up eroids!?! New to the site and not sure where I should introduce myself but I'll give it a shot here (pun intended) and hoping to get a critique on my proposed cycled. Looking to do a lean mass gain.
Stats:
Age: 30
Height: 5'7
Weight: 175
Bf: ~11%
Years training: 5 heavy. Recreationally for 7
BB comps = 3. Nationals qualified '12-'13
Cycle history = 3 runs with Turniabal (Primordial Performance's Halo prohormone (6 weeks 75mg ED), their Andro Hard, and Dermacrine) R.I.P PP. And 1 real cycle of Test prop 100mg for 9 weeks (100mg EOD) with Anavar for 7 weeks (80mg ED), HCG 250iu 2x weeks 2-9
PCT: 2 days after last pin
Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
That being said my proposed cycle is:
Test Prop 100: Weeks 1-8 100 EOD
NPP 150: weeks 1-6 150mg E3D
? Turinabol (not the ph this time;) : weeks 1-6 50mg ED.
HCG weeks 1-8 250iu 2x week
PCT: clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Arimedex on hand for during cycle.
Gonna use all HULK LABS gear
So... Idk much about parami or caber to combat the NPP sides but not sure if I'd need it. Curious about thoughts on the NPP dosage and duration as well opinions on the turinabol.
Constructive Criticism Welcomed!!
PS: please tell me if it's better etiquette to introduce myself somewhere else.
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Im running a NPP 100, Test Prop 125 cycle at the moment. Currently I run 125 Test to 50 NPP EOD. I started running Prop for a few weeks ED. Then went with a 62/30 to 50/20 (or as close as I could get to it) Prop to NPP ratio ED. ED injections gave me the best results. A problem I ran into a few weeks in was scar tissue and PIP from ED injections. For the first few weeks I had minimal PIP. I could use every site like calf, tricep, lat, quad. One day I got terrible PIP in the quad, then terrible PIP in the calf. I had to cut down my sites to glutes, delts, and pecs and spread out the injections to EOD. Keeping the test ratio higher than NPP keeps my libido up. Now its not as high as test only buts its still raging. I started with higher test doses out the gate and gyno hit me quick. I used Adex but found lowering my overall dosages just works better for me than using the AI regularly. Now Adex will work but I just don't like the extras that come with it for it to work when I can go another direction.
Long story short I like your plan. Personally I would start with the test and see how you react, then add the NPP. If something goes wrong its hard to say whats doing it when taking multiple things at once. I also would stretch out the cycle a little longer. I didn't really start to see legit gains until a few weeks in. With my weekly dosages being low and in range with your planned dosages i'm going 12 weeks.
I wouldn't worry with the oral, I would be pinning the npp at a minimum eod, keep your test higher than your npp, so you can tweek the doses, yes get some caber, run it .25 e3d or tweek as needed, same with arimadex, tweek as needed, p.c.t ok. ive been speaking with some bodybuilders lately who have been saying hcg should be used after your cycle, and that's its counter productive on cycle, im in the process of researching that more, but someone else can help you with the hcg as I am not an expert on that.
also should get bloods done before starting due to using that ph.
Hey also, the ph's were the first cycles I ever ran. 1 each year from 2010-2012. AAS used in 2013. Got blood work done about 5 weeks after PCT from the prohormone cycles and my test was at around a 560 and my liver enzymes were elevated and good cholesterol HDL was low.
Thanks for the reply! So if I'm running test prop 100mg eod how much NPP should I run eod? I know hpta gets shut down pretty hard by NPP (short ester deca) and really don't want to crush mine. And that's the whole reason for the HCG low dose on cycle. This is debated everywhere and I'm not so sure there is an end all be all protocol but my idea is to keep the horses in the stable rather then let them go and chase them across 3 counties later down the road. Plus when u blast the HCG at the end or PCT in wayyy higher doses you run the risk of permanently effing your LH. Just my opinion and enjoy learning:)
I always run my test double to that of my deca, but as long as its higher that's fine, I don't know what doses your used to and certainlty wont recommend my doses, its what your comfortable with, try to keep your test atleast 150-200 above npp, also your not going to get the messy weight from npp, just keep your diet clean and watch your sodium intake, and let you ai do the rest.
Rustyhookerwelcome! Whsts your goals and timeframes for cycle? Caber on hand. Ai on hand. If estro is in check then prolactin is easier.
My goal is a lean clean bulk. Not positive what you mean by time frame but I'm gonna run it fairly soon and the test prop for 8-9 weeks, NPP for 6 weeks, and turinabol possibly for 4-6 weeks. I liked the idea of the turinabol to combat any messy weight gain from the NPP. I have AI on hand but my last cycle I didn't even need it with the same dose of test I'm doing this time. No water retention and no itchy nips. Is caber or parami Paxil better? Which is cheaper or are they the same?
RustyhookerTbol will be drier for ya certainly. Mast prop equal to your npp helps keep ya dry. I ran caber on small tren cycle at .25e3d.
Time frame.....it's easier to run long Esters for mass. Gives lil more time to make goals. But if you don't mind pinning then surely you can run shorts.
lol, sorry rusty I was typing as you posted.
RustyhookerTeamwork brother! Gives the op a bigger picture to work with.