Proper AI dosage and schedule?
Hey there guys, I'm about to start a 12 week cycle and was hoping i could get a bit of input. I'm a little new to doing proper cycles and still learning so bear with me. i have done my fair share of cycles but with the last couple i wasn't too pleased with the results. was under some direction of some more or less ill-informed people. I've done a bit of research and have been off for about a year now so i figure its time to give it a go again. tell me what you think.
I'm going to run
weeks 1-8 -60mgED of anavar might increase to 80mg ED if i feel necessary
weeks 1-12 -100mgEOD of Test Prop
weeks 1-12 -75mgEOD of Tren Ace
weeks 3-14 - 250 IU twice a week of HCG
weeks 1-14 -25 mg EOD of Aromasin
weeks 13-16- 40mg of novadex. tapper off the dose a bit towards the last couple weeks.
i usually am pretty prone to gyno. i had gyno lumps when i was a kid naturaly. so i want to keep that in check. i actually have a bit of a lump on the left side and am considering running a bit of letro to get rid of but either way. Thats what i have planned. any input would be appreciated whether its good or bad.
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Ok, well I do disagree with lots about your assumption. And when I said my last cycle didn't go well I wasn't referring to me not gaining any size. I was referring to the excessive bloating I experienced. Anyways I'm sorry that I didn't provide all appropriate information right off the bat. I was more or less lookin for advice on the aromasin. Don't worry about it. I appreciate the input I might just do some more reaserch and make a different post I can't help but feel the focus is a little off topic.
So what did you weigh when you started using gear? How old? How long have you been training for? You disagree so tell me where I'm wrong.
If you're ready to run tren, you'll know how much AI you'll need with that amount of test etc. Nobody can answer that other than you, it varies for individuals.
Use the reply button in future, top right of the box of the comment you're replying to. Otherwise the thread gets all messy and hard to follow.
Ok, I knew most people aren't a fan of tren but when I dreamt this up I didn't figure it was that bad. Neither tren or anavar aromatize and I was planning on running an AI and hcg to help keep everything good. I more or less was actually asking about the AI I wanted to run and see what people's experience like that would be. I always thought test and tren was a good cycle but you guys don't seem to think that's the case. Can I get more of a reason as to this conclusion?
I think you're misunderstanding the feedback you're getting. Nobody said its not a "good cycle", it's inappropriate for someone of your size and experience level. The harshest of all steroids, if you can't grow on simpler cycles, (which you have kind of implied), it's because your game isn't up to scratch in other areas, (nutrition, training). You've already stated you've no intention of competing, you need help figuring out AI dosages, you weigh 200lbs at 6ft tall at 20% BF after multiple cycles. That all adds up to insufficient experience to correct some of the issues that can arise on a tren cycle.
Reality is you look like you're relying on drugs way too much. I bet you started steroids young, (obviously by the fact you're 26), you built little or no base naturally, (you said two of those cycles were very successful so I'm guessing you were 150lbs and taking steroids), and you haven't yet worked out why it's not really been a magic fix.
I'm sure you'll disagree, but experience and logic tells me I'll be at least 75% right with my above assumptions.
RustyhookerCycle is over the top garbage. Gyno prone....get ready for gyno and lactation.
Thanks for the input. I'm not a fan of just test cycles. Don't think I'll see one in my future. I am planning on getting blood work done right away. Again I don't know how to calculate my bf. I'm not a competition bodybuilder and don't care much to find out the exact number. I've had a couple very successful cycles it's more or less my last one that didn't go as planned and a lot of it has something to do with personal matters at the time. I'm over most of the stuff that negatively influenced me last time. Learned from some mistakes and am moving forward. I know tren is more or less a touchy one but all of my experience with it was A+. Everyone reacts to stuff differently.
Rustyhookergotta be trolling. Lol
And as for my goals I'd like to lean up again and gain some solid muscle. Been training pretty good to this point so timeline wise I feel as though I'm ready. Haven't done these forums before sorry about the lack of info
Where's Gearhead?
Lol. I knew this was coming
Cycle is way over the top for a guy of your size and experience level. 200lbs @20% BF 6ft tall and you've run multiple cycles suggests you need to go back to basics and learn how to do that rather than multi compound tren runs.
I agree with Cat. OP.....Complete rethink is needed. You got into trouble last time on this cycle and you will again if you run it - there are reasons for that. Diet to 15% and then run a test only cycle with blood work to learn about AI and estro control. Do some proper research here then reach out for help and you will get it.
Hey guys thanks for the input. Sorry I didn't have more listed, I'm not sure about the actual number for my bf. Gotta be around 20 ish. I've done a cycle similar to this before and i really liked it so would love to do the test and tren again. My last cycle I worked out plenty dieted not bad. Just didn't run enough for a AI and used a lot of aromatising compounds. Got really bloated and what not. Wanna keep it pretty tight on this one. Is be fine with doing the aromasin ED. I wasn't sure about whether I should do added or aromasin. From what I've read I wanna run aromasin I think. And hcg. I don't want to rebound bad afterwards like I've done in the past
The guys here usually won't give advice without stats, goals, and detailed cycle experience.
Tren is a pretty advanced compound, I'd be very cautious about using it especially because it looks like you don't have your AI and PCT dialed in from previous cycles. Like Dacky said below, you have more to research and consider.
You're only 26. Haven't done a "proper" cycle. Been off for a year. If your bf is less than 20, or even better 17%, then a simple test cycle is all you need. You weren't pleased because the past cycles either were cluster fucks or you don't eat or train or rest correctly.
1-12 Test E 600
1-15 Proviron 50mgED
16,17 ..... I just noticed you only have nolva listed for pct... You haven't done enough research on pct
18,19 ......
Post up a much simpler cycle with proper pct and re-ask for advice.
Stats
Age: 26
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 200
BF
Pls update your stats. We will need some more info here please mate. More detail on your prior aas experience. What's your goal here? Why these compounds. It's a big and complex stack for someone so young. No mention of Prolactin control or DA. PCT is seriously lacking. Pre-cycle blood work. On cycle blood work (clue here to how you manage your AI dose). More info needed and more research on your side must be done. For now don't run this cycle.