Prohormones / Designer St as a kick to s proper gear cycle?
Pro -hormones / Designer Steroids as a kick start?
So I know I know, why by otc stuff when you can get “the heavy artillery” but my question is this I have a few bottles of xcel sports nutrition Barbarian FX-mass the contents are as follows
-Halodrol 25mg
-Methylstenbolone 5mg
- LMG Max 20mg
-DMZ 25mg
-Carbopol 20mg
* this is per capsule
The bottle is a total 60 capsules with a serving size of 1 tablet twice a day I have two bottles of the stuff)
Now my question is I have cycled a few times D-bol as an oral kick start, and Oxymetholone once with great results but good bit of water retention and well the obvious near over night inflation of muscles. Would it be worthwhile to run this for 4-6 weeks as a kick start for a longer cycle I have planned ( a 16 week cycle)
Sustanon 250 ( 250mg/ml twice weekly )
Deca ( 400mg/ml divided into two .5 ml injections of 200mg)
Equipoise ( 100mg/ml twice weekly ) started at week 6 and run till wk16
I will be running an Ai during the cycle as well as a full Pct
I am also running Krill oil and
Molecular Nutrition
BP Stabil
Liv Stabil
Lipid Stabil
As well as a pair or Sarms
Ostarine @ 25mg/ml /day
GW-501516 @ 5mg/ml / day
And my vitamin regimen looks like this
Supplement Dosage Time Notes
Vinpocetine 10mg 1/day
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine(NALT) 300mg 1/day
Beta Alanine 500mg 2/day
Inositol 100mg 2/day
Beta Phenylethylamine(PEA) 200mg 2/day
Cissus Quadrangularis 40% 500mg 1/day
5-HTP 50mg 2/day ( M/N)
Phenibut 50mg 1/day ( N) *Taken only as needed
Melatonin 5mg 1/day (N) *Taken only as needed
African Mango 10:1 100mg 2/day
Raspberry Ketones 100mg 2/day
Caffeine Anhydrous 100mg 2/day
Hordenine HCL 99.5% 25mg 2/day
Choline Bititrate 600mg 1/day
Gamma Aminobutyric Acid (GABA) 50mg 2/day
Creatine Monohydrate 10g 2/day
Whey Protein 20g 2/day
BCAA 5g 2/day
Supplement/Vitamin Dosage Time
Glucosamine 500mg 1/day
Chondroitin 400mg 1/day
B-Complex B1 12mg ~
B2 8mg ~
Niacin 80mg ~
B6 4mg ~ 1/day
Pantothenic Acid 400mcg ~
Calcium 148 mg ~
B12 20mcg ~
Vitamin C 1000mg 1/day
Vitamin E 400Iu 1/day
Vitamin B-12 2000mcg 1/day (M)
Flax Seed Oil 1000mg 1/day
ON Opti-Men Multi ~ 2/Day
I life 3 times a week, Mon/Wed/Fri, lots of compound moves and I am strict with my form as I have been lifting for some time now. Tues/Thurs/Sat are active recovery day which is for me cardio, yoga and bodyweight routine just some light work to keep my flexibility up. So you can see I have thought this through, have the gear on hand so now a little about my self . . .
This is my 5th cycle, first two where test only cycle, 3rd cycle was a test with a d-bol kick start, 4th was a test and deca ( love it for my joints ) with an Oxymetholone kicker. Now I got to admit I love the dbol feeling made me feel great how ever the rapid size gain was noticeable. Same with the oxymetholon Now I have every thing planned out to buy some tbol as the up front kick for some solid quality gains… but like I said this pro/designer gear was a freebie will it be worth running? Now obviously the t-bol will def be quality but a lil raw size is never a bad thing especially with the longer compounds and their slower starts and tendency to build slower quality gains an up front beast may be a way to go especially since the gear was free so please any questions of feed back is welcome.
Thanks mates
~ The neoprimitive
Also if I have missed any thing by all means fire at me I am here to learn, just fyi I am looking for size, solid hard gains and an increased endurance hence the GW, as I am a fighter and an avid outdorrsman,
As of today I am 245lbs with 11% body fat. Again thanks for the info and once again I love the site and the people
~ Cheers and happy lifting.
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no offense but ime. did a lot of the oral supplementation stuff. and ive seen the xcel formulas, i mean their cool and all a simple sdrol kick start imo would be more cost effective vs the high price of xcels prohormone stacks. and all the oral supplements are kinda overrated price to performance effectiveness. but whatever floats ur boat and builds ur muscles.
Thanks man, yeah the oral stuff is pricy but i got the xcel stuff for free from a mate of mine lol only reason i was thinking of running it. As for the supps i get a great price in bulk and cap them my self or add them to a shake, You are right though mate the xcel stuff is pricy, but in my case i got em for free so lol the price was right lol. But yeah the supps work for me, and i get good prices so im sticking to my lil ritual thanks for lookign out brother cheers !
That is quite the PH stack. Lot of potent and toxic stuff in there. I would recommend that you run some TUDCA/UDCA with that stack for additional liver protection, especially since it has methylstenbolone it which is very toxic and preload all of your liver supports for at least 1 preferably two weeks before you start.
I also think you could could drop the SARMS and creatine and save them for PCT. The effets from the AAS will far outweigh them while on cycle and you probably won't even notice them. They are useful during PCT to help bring fullness back to your muscles and to help stay in a more anabolic state which can help you maintain your gains.
Why are you using only 200mg/wk of EQ? I have not used EQ personally but everything I have read about it suggests at a minimum 400mg/wk and preferably 600mg/wk. It also needs to be ran for a longer period of time. Suggested 16 wk minimum to really benefit from it. By the time it really starts kicking in you will be ending your cycle.
I was thinking about running the eq the whole 16 weeks, from what i gathered the 200mg range is where i feel ok with it... havent used it before, but i do have enough to run it at 400 for the entire 16wk run I was gonna wait till i was settled into the cycle before running it but from what i have been reading you are right in the dosage and length I am just on the fence about starting a cycle with a pair of unknows .... As for the sarms you are def right on that, I think i will be holding off on them until pct or even after pct as the info on the osta is a wee bit conflicting regarding suppression. So I gather it would be better in the long run for the cycle to run the eq at 400 a wk? And thank you for the heads up on the TUDCA/UDCA I will def give it a look over I know the place i do the bulk order for my supplements has it. The ph stack is a pre-made stack from xcel sports nutrition as a lil fyi and i know its rough on the liver I appreciate the advice and i will continue looking into the eq and the ph supplement before i start my cycle rule number one for me is always have the proper info and tools onhand before doing a job.Thanx for the advice mate ~Cheers !
Also be aware that the LMG is prolactin based so in addition to your AI you may want to have something to control prolactin sides if they flare up (prami or caber) which you should have on hand if your are running Deca. The dose of LMG you would be taking is on the low end of an LMG cycle (normally ran at 100mg/d when done solo) but it could be adding some prolactin on top of the Deca in your cycle. Just wanted to give you a heads up on it.
again spot on mate I just ordered some caber. But the whole EQ thing has me in a quandary atm i might just hold on to it for a later cycle as the Sust and Deca I know and trust give me great gains and good size. But this ph combo i was given being harsh on the liver but the mix there seems like it could indeed throw up some good size, the serving suggestion is 2 caps per day ( at the listed dosage in the op ) I am thinking running it for 6 weeks at 1/day for the first 4 then 2/day for the last 2 weeks. Like i said the combination of two unknowns for me has me thinking other wise. So let me pose this question to you drop the eq or unload those bottles of ph? what would you do, considering my aim is size that is maintainable? I gotta say I havent been a member on the site long but you guys are helpful and knowledgeable; not that i am new to the game but its always a learning process. One last parting question Ironmag labs Complete Protein Rx any good? I currently use a mix of ON Whey and Casein (http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/complete-protein-rx-by-ironmaglabs/) and take a BCAA sup as listed. All my supplements are in powder form well 90% So i add them to 3 shakes a day pre and post work outs and an evening shake. The rest are regular horse pill vitamins lol like the animal pack.
And Makawa thanks for the advice mate you have def made me pause a little bit more and rethink- much appreciated. +2 brother for all the advice
I would feel more comfortable only running one new compound at a time so that I could accurately assess its effects. Probably better off running that EQ in a separate cycle. Hopefully some vets on here can give you some more info on the EQ since I have not ran that compount yet.
I think that PH mix would probably be a good jumpstart say for a 12wk test e cycle. Looking at whats in there, that PH stack should be a good mass gainer and I have ran several of those compounds solo. You should be able to maintain a fair amount of those gains with the extended test cycle and you would also be able to more accurately assess how that PH cocktail works for you.
I also think that you would want to run those PH at 2pills/day for 4wks. 2 pills/day would put you at the low end for solo cycles of all the separate compounds, but I think taking them together has somewhat of a synergistic effect which is why you can get away with lower overall doses of the individual compounds. Start out at 1/d to assess sides for the first week and then bump up to 2/day to finish them off. If you are getting good results from just 1/day then you could stick with 1/d for a few weeks to extend the cycle, but I have a feeling that you will have to take 2/d to get a more effective dose once you get into the cycle and have had a chance to assess sides.
I checked out the protein and it appears to be a quality protein. I would be comfortable using it. Animal Pak is my vitamin of choice when on cycle.
cheers mate solid advice. looks like you are like me as far as the caution and research goes.I think that is exactly what i will do. The eq can sit, and I will run the ph stack as my kicker. And yeah i will do a 1/d for a week to see how the ph stack sits with me then i will bump it up. I think your right it will def give me what im looking for. And thanks for taking a look at that protein means i can cut out buying a separate BCAA supp, I just wanted some ones else to take a look; some times its nice to have a second set of eyes look at some thing when it looks like its a one stop supp.
I liked the animal pack but i switched to ON optimen, and then the rest of my vits and sups i buy in bulk and cap my own or add to my shakes, other wise its all some standard stuff. I appreciate the advice mate thanks for asking the slew of questions man. Cheers mate and again thanks for the advice
+1 points brova
You take a shit load of vitamins and supps... But where's the Cell-Tech? We all know that was the main reason Jay Cutler captured the Mr. O so many times, haven't you been reading the magazines?
LOL true, this list is long and the cell tech is on it lol it just never made it to the screen but yeah mistake on my end. . .