+ 1 Post Cycle Training Help
As I'm getting near the end of my cycle, I realized I've read too much and am now confused. I'm looking to understand what the best way is to keep any gains.
I've read gothics post which says to back off some of the weight. I've read other posts that say go as hard as you were on cycle. The second part makes sense because you're telling your body it needs those muscles. The first part makes sense because if your test is in recovery and you are killing it in the gym, are you really building/keeping mass or are you hindering/burning it as fuel.
I'm very confused. I don't want to lose whatever actual mass I have gained. I'm all for losing water weight!
Also, what is a safe bet to try and cut out some fat during this process. Wait a certain time frame? Should I just wait until my next cycle and do a cutter? I still want to gain some size but I'm losing out on definition due to my body fat around my chest and waist. I'd say I'm lean every where else. Any diet tips for post cycle. I plan on still eating what I eat now assuming that will make it alot easier to keep gains. I don't want to go in a deficit if it will hinder that process.
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personally man, id try to not be too concerned bout body fat just yet. i was worried bout it too my last cycle but more imprtntly, worried bout losing more of my gains than necessary. it wouldve been really discouragng for me to see the #s on the scale really plumetting after losing water weight, inevitable muscle mass, and even fat too. i worry more about recovering and finishng pct before shedding fat
maintaining my fains is priority number one. The fat I can deal with later I just wasnt sure how to go about it. been some good advice in here so thanks to all!
First don't keep training like you are on a cycle. Lower weight higher reps and change your diet up, you need to up your protein lower your carbs and eat some "good fat" this also helps with hormonal levels and my person favorite is I pollute my body with BCAA. I take a multi BCAA 3 times a day along with Arginine and Glutamine with every meal and post work out and before bed a Post work out drink that consists of Isoleucine Leucine and Valine to promote growth hormones.
I back off of the training a little bit while in PCT since the body is now in a highly catabolic state and I don't want to stress it anymore than necessary. I go into more of a maintenance mode until I'm done with PCT and then I slowly ramp it back up. If I am starting to feel weak in the gym, that is a classic sign for me that I am overtraining and need to back off a bit. Since I back off the weights I now add about 20 min of light cardio at the end my lifting to help burn off a little fat.
Bro all I can speak of is experience. Im about 3 days away from the end of pct. Nolva/clomid and d-aspartic acid. For the first 2 weeks I felt alittle off but I dropped the nolva to 10mgs instead of 20mgs and kept the clomid at the suggested 50mgs. I feel fantastic now! It's like im new again. I started taking an n.o. pill 3 times a day and cutting carbs out once 2pm rolls around. I am dropping the water weight and starting to make gains all over again. If you follow the suggested pct protocol you shouldn't lose much. I say alternate your rep range from week to week and really focus on form not beastin like when on cycle. Just my .02
Thanks! That's what I'm looking for. Peoples experience so I appreciate your input! I believe I have a good PCT plan in place so that is a good start. On the d-aspartic acid, can you give me a recommendation? I actually posted that question today in the supp forum. I want to add it in to the PCT.
I did read Vikings post about the carb cutting after 2pm. So carb cutting won't impact keeping gains? That's what I was worried about. I suppose I shouldn't wonder. It came from the man himself. lol
Correct, carb cutting will not hinder you too much but! you must be very strict to ensure that you are getting really near to the 2 grams pr one pound bodyweight of top quality proteins or you will encounter lean mass atrophy (cell loss) again proteins are the key to building and holding new growth, also at this stage take onboard around 1500/2000 mgs vit C daily this helps to build collagen which is basically the "glue" that holds muscle cells together, i would recommend split the vit C into 4 throughout the day as it is water soluble and cannot be stored by the body and taking the full dose in one is useless and at that high dosage will give you the trots (thats lady speak for the shits lol) hope this helps
In my experience I keep volume as heavy as I was on cycle and youl will notice a little strength loss. Don't let this frustrate you, keep you intesity as high as yo can. Keep cals in check and dont try to go on a cut until PCT is finished. If you want fat loss, include HITT cardio twice a week and steady state once a week.
PCT should be Clomid/Novla/Asin/DAA
I pre load DAA @ 6gms a day a week before and continue use until gone. I also save stuff like Cratine and pre workout supps for off cycle for any added help.