posted Wed, 06/27/2012 - 13:10
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Plateau Issues, Anavar and Winstrol
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Okay so I've been cutting down with a CKD diet for about 4 months. I went from 210ish to 170 and now back up to 180 (10-15% body fat) with the added muscle. I'm content with how I look now, just not completely satisfied. I'm still in the gym 4/5 days a week just hit that plateau.
I was thinking about an Anavar and Winstrol stack to just tighten everything up. Open to any input. Really I'm just curious if I need to add anything into with that. Some sites say a PCT is nice to have on hand, others say its unnecessary. For several reasons I was only gonna be on them for about 4 weeks.
20mg Anavar/day, 50mg Winstrol/day??
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If you had bothered to read anything at all in the forums regarding oral only cycles, you would realize how crazy your question sounds to us. I hope you take the advice of the bros below and do a ton more research bro. Good luck man.
AnonThe sad thing in this case is; he is going to run the var/winny stack regardless of what advice we bestow upon him.. he's just looking for some sort of justification >.<
You're right about that bro. I wish someone was there to kick my ass for running deca and eq only cycles in my early 20's. Fortunately I recovered just fine, but not until after I blew ghost loads for about a month.
how to lose weight: eat right and excersize... AAS is not the answer unless you are prepping for a contest and are sub 10% bodyfat.. honestly you dont know what you are doing, so dont do it. ive lost over 100lb naturally without the use of AAS or other substances (which i will not mention so you dont get any ideas.. ) there are plenty of people on here who can help you break through that pleteau. the first question you need to ask yourself is "am i really eating as clean as i can be??"
I guess everybody assumed you have no cycle history and are old enough to run cycles but for my piece of mind can you tell me how old you are and if you have any cycle experience! thanks
Thanks noid for deleting that morons post up top... Don't need that kind of garbage..
Brother we think alike! just come across this post and that would be my first question.
Also there is a MASSIVE difference in physique between 10-15% our boy quotes lmao! i wish i could play around with that 5% difference thats the maker or breaker here.
bro anavar is seen for best results i think at 80mg ED to really be satisfied and i would deff not run a oral only cycle.. test prop and anavar would be a good combo for you.
Anavar and winstrol wouldnt be a good combo being that they are both harsh on your liver. Generally people stick to one oral at a time plus test. A PCT is basically a definite neccesity, back in the 70's people didnt run a PCT because it wasnt invented. It is always reccomended to both feel normal and keep your gains quicker.
You should get your diet and training dialed in before using steroids. If you cant bust a plateau naturally theres no guarantee that steroids will help you break it. There can be different reasons as to while youve plateaud. I doubt you have reached your genetic limit after working out for only four months, so I can almost definetly tell you there is something wrong with your diet or training.
From the limited information youve provided, I would say take a week off from the gym if youvebeen working out 5 days a week for four months. I take a week off every 3 months...
Okay to clarify, I wouldnt say I've plateaued I'm just looking to move past Ravage and A-HD, and Solid into the majors ya know? Im sure those arent good for my liver either. And as far as my diet and exercise goes Im in the gym for an hour/hour and a half 4 days a week and rotate in Insanity on the weekends and some mornings. Im eating about 1800 calories a day, 6 meals consisting of low carbs high proteins. Im doing okay just want a safe way to bump it up.
Do you know what your maitanence calories are? 1800 calories sounds very low. Also cut your workout down to 45 minutes to an hour. After that time period your body becomes catabolic. aim for 2.0 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight.
Im assuming you dont intend to gain any muscle and just want to lose weight? Im pretty sure there is no steroid that directly burns fat. Do more research
brother, when plateus are hit change up diet and/or training
...and var/winny stack is a TERRIBLE idea
Lets just say I already bought em, hypothetically. Safest way to take em?
Safest way to take em is don't take em at all. You clearly have no idea with what you're dealing with. I advice you to do a whole lot of research before you even begin to think of taking any form of AAS.
ok, here it is... if there is NO TEST there is NO CYCLE
Two 17aa steroids together is bad on liver. Cycle experience etc?
Basic hard cardio and tight clean diet will get your goals
yeah i read about the liver thing. I've been on a really strict diet and even started dropping more calories. Would 4 weeks at a low dose like that really be that bad?
Check what Hollywood posted. Problem with drastic drop in calories is your metabolism will drop as well. So going with six small super cleann meals and keeping calories only slightly lower can help. Carb manipulation too can drop the last bit without forcing your body to go into storage mode.
Light doses of both wouldn't give any noteable positive effects. It would be more or less of throwing money away. There's Hella food gurus on here that can rework a clean diet. Save the gear for when you're solid rock 200.