posted Thu, 09/20/2012 - 07:37
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Planning 3rd cycle bulk please help
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hey i just finished up my second cycle. hit 230 and hope to stay atleast above 220 til my next cycle in two months. i want to get to 250 or close to it on a long bulk cycle but want clean gains with lil water or min fat gains. i want to try sustanon, deca, eq. Any recommendations for cycle and ammounts? Im 6'5 230 at about 12 or 13% bf. Also would running clen in between cycle with pct to cut bf down be beneficial i have never experimented with clen but any reviews or any results anyone can share about it?
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How about doing a HGH cycle now and then switch to the one you written before? This will give more time your body to clear receptors thus better effect while on cycle.
just a heads up bud, if you wanna play in the cycle threads make sure your info is solid, I have and will remove you from here real quick. Maybe best thing is to read for a few weeks and make sure your up to par with the information we give out here.
hgh really intersts me...super expensive and need to take for a long time have you have any experience with hgh?
23 and relatively inexperienced with gear.. You don't need gh trust me on this one.
X2.. i still dont need it and never will.
I'm sorry but when a supplier comes in telling a kid to run gh cycles I'm going to look at the age first, as he didn't, and then carefully decide the right path to take it. At 23 gh is unnecessary unless you're getting ready for nationals. And not many 23 year olds are right now..
cdaddy7Pump the brakes cougar, I would def take some time off, just bc ur results were not as u expected doesn't mean ur body's hormone levels weren't affected by the exogenous introduction....your homeostasis has been disrupted and must level out again the only way u could even consider starting again sooner is if u have bloodwork done and levels are all within normal limits
sounds good c daddy ill get blood work done for the first time at 10 weeks off after pct and see! good feedback thanks!
zewiBAN BANG!!!
Time off = length of last cycle + pct. Considering the amount of compounds in your last cycle, I'm guessing 2 months gap doesn't tie up with this rule.
Important not to be impatient with this, if you still all over the shop your next cycle will fail and you'll end up feeling like a bag of shit. Even at 23, you aren't going to recover as quickly as implied.
cycle was stretched to about 15 weeks. i want to jump back on since the cycle wasnt as effective as desired. i want to rest for between 2-3 months then blast away
Successful.....not enough natty time off.
X2.
Not enough.
The general rule for running an AAS cycle is:
Now, lets say you choose to indulge in a 12 week cycle, which carries a 4 week PCT, thus the total time frame where your hormone levels will be abnormal in comparison to prior natural levels is 16 weeks. Additionally, supposing that you chose against acquiring blood results, this will result in a 16 week 'time off' period. Thus, the total time frame for a single cycle to commence and be finalised is 32 weeks.
Therefore, following the aforementioned key points, on the basis of a 52 week year, one can indulge in (52/32=) 1.625 cycles a year. In Layman's terms, you can run 1 cycle completely (this includes time on + PCT + time off) + (5/8 =) 0.625 cycles. This means you can run one complete cycle (this includes: Time ON + PCT = Time off) plus another 12 week steroid cycle + 4 weeks PCT + 4 weeks time off (32*0.625) in a single year, with a remaining 12 weeks of time off period to be carried forward into the next year - (2 complete AAS cycles = [32 weeks +32 weeks] 64 weeks, -52 weeks (equal to 1 year) = 12 weeks to be carried forward).
With regard to hormone levels, following the 1.625 cycles a year, you are likely to be fine. Of course, people find that after single cycle with PCT and time off, their levels return close to natural, much in the same way in which another person may find that they will be completely reliant upon TRT/HRT after their first cycle. What i have tried to illustrate here is that everybody is different - and the assumption that the time off period will, in most cases, return an individual to 'normal' hormonal levels.
so i got that ill lay off clen. i ran first cycle test e 500 a week for 12 weeks and 50 anavar a day, it was okay did reap much benefit besides strength from anavar. 2nd cycle rand dbol kick at 50 a day and 700 test e with also a prop kick for 12 weeks and ended with mast at 400 a week. dbol got me all bloated and gained strength test was okay and really say a great change when mast kicked in. idk if i will run anavar or dbol again since i didnt like the results much besides the strength. test e doesnt do much for me i feel besides very very slow gains. mast gave me great gains and really made me solid. so far thats my fav substance. I have heard sustanon and deca will stack some serious muscle on and was thinking if i ended with mast again it would lean me out and solidify my gains. i want to know more about eq though, thoughts?
Your cycles are completely unbalanced...unplanned.....gah.. You dont just throw things together. Simply dumping hogher doses isn't the cure either. Food is king! Using same test cycle and changing food changes the cycle compleyely. Third cycle is nothing more than a kicker....500test....finisher/taper. Your body sounds saturated and I'd advise
six months clean! Clear out...trim down...natty harden
wow, I guess you ran too many compounds in your second cycle. no?..my second cycle will be test e+ EQ, lean bulk...thats it
you really like eq? is it a bulker?
zewiIt can be used as that yes.. But it's slow. and need to be ran a min of 14 weeks--16 is better 18 is even better.
yea I'm looking at 16 weeks EQ and 18 weeks test E. Now I noticed different doses of EQ. I see 200 mg, 300 mg, and even 400 mg! any difference between all three other than concentration? like pip maybe??? I'm planning to run 600mg a week with test E in the same barrel. If I do so, I will need 1 cc test E plus 3/4 cc 400mg EQ, so a total of 1.75 cc in each dart. If I choose the 200 mg EQ, I'm gonna need 2.5 cc each shot!, quiet a lot.... unless 400 mg is really painful I will stick to it...any thoughts?
zewiAre you trying to bulk? --I always go with the 300 or 400.. I like the 300 cause i never go over 600 on EQ.. there is no benefit IMO when ran at 800..
yea lean bulk. just trying to minimize the (test E +EQ)cc injection. with 400 mg its 1.75 cc...but maybe 400 mg will cause more pip than 300 mg...and not worth it? maybe 300 mg is better then
zewi"yea lean bulk"
IMO
I would run test E @ 300mg a week and EQ @ 600mg a week and a test p kicker and taper, with maybe Anavar at the end.. Like this
1-4 test p @ 100mg EOD
1-16 Test E @ 300mg a week
1-16 EQ @ 600mg a week
15-20 Test P @ EOD
15-20 Anavar @ 50mg ED
NICE shit bro. I think I will do that. thanks!
zewi"long bulk cycle but want clean gains with lil water or min fat gains" Well no Sust and Dec..
1jakd_hipyI hate sus, I still need to do a write up in why no one should run it
I'd love to see that write-up and personally dispute probably everything you will say in it. I love sustanon.
zewiI don't think sustanon is the issue.. Most people don't use it correctly. IMO.
BOOOM x2!!
Most people don't know that sustanon isn't meant for injecting every other day. It's a waste. Larger injections once a week are more beneficial.
Agree! Folks want the prop boost......so just add prop!
30mg prop split multiple times a week, because these guys aren't taking 1cc each time is completely moronic.
zewitrue.. I always like 500mg on Monday 500mg on Thursday.
1jakd_hipyWell then you just became my motivation
1jakd_hipyWhat were your previous 2 cycles?
zewiX2
Time on plus pct is time off. Only two months? So you did a 4week cycle?
oh really? when is the best time to use Clen then? in a cutting cycle?
1jakd_hipyHonestly thyroid manipulation is never good but if you were going too then yes during a cutter
zewiDuring the cycle.
If your doing a 1-8 cutter.
Clen is ran 2 weeks on 2 weeks of 2 weeks on 2 weeks of. so your on Clen weeks 1-2 and 5-6
oh shit there are countless threads online recommending using Clen in PCT. I have some... never tired it, not sure I ever will...
Now heres the deadly danger of clen on cycle. Test raises heartbeat. Clen raises heartbeat. It's destructive to heart valves as well. So be very careful.
zewiYepers. However, I do like taking clen leading up to a cutter cycle.
zewiThe only time i would even consider Clen on PCT.. If if you did a heavy bulker were you gain some fat.
Clen on pct or afyer will strip all your gains
zewiX2