posted Wed, 09/28/2011 - 19:34
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Planing third cycle
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looking for constructive criticism if necessary. I'm planning my next cycle, am looking to bulk up and increase strength. Will be doing German volume training 10x10. My focus wil be compound lifts with some accessory lifts depending on the day. Clean diet with 4000+ calories. Thanks for advice!
Test c-600mg/wk 1-12
Equipose 600mg/wk 1-11
Nolvadex 20mg/day wk 1-18
Clomid wk 15-18 day 1 300mg day 2-11 100mg day 12-21 50mg
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Thanks hollywood, your always reliable.
EQ is a pretty sloooow compound bro so i'd probably suggest(at least) an extra wk on ea compound... other than that no real beefs bro : )
Gear on the way. Thanks again for the help guys.
Cheers.
that would depend on cycle and cycle length... like i said, ppl have had success from several pct schedule... who am I to say... the important thing is that you have one
This is such a great sight. I in the 90'S got some really bad advice but here you have many people with years in, telling you advice and how not to make the mistakes we have. Don't forget we didn't have the net back then and relied on 1 or 2 people we knew to give us direction. Your third cycle should be a huge jump forward but take all the advice to heart and judge for yourself after all it is your body. I have a sight for good anavar pm me if you need it, quality gear. For what you want (strength) anavar is key. Hllywbdboy is right and from posts I read he really knows his shit(more than me when it comes to gear) but we agree anavar is what you need.Drol is harsh but var you can stay on the entire time with less damage than drol. Again its all about the money.And if money is a problem look at what your goals are. IMO for what you want anavar should be your key substance.
i'm a simple nolva 40/40/20/20 guy. serves me well.
but like i've said before, it's not gospel. there are many different pct schedules the ppl will swear by, this one just happens to be mine : /
Okay so here's an update. I can't seem to get Arimidex so for now I'm going to stick with the nolvadex. Also can't find Anavar so I'm going to try something different. If you agree or disagree it would be great to hear why!
Test c 600mg/wk 1-12
Test p 100mg EOD wks1-4/13-14
Eq 600mg/wk 1-12
Anadrol@50or100mg/day(opinions?)
Hcg 250mg twice a week. 3-12
Three times a week. Wk 13
Nolvadex 20mg/day wk18
Clomid wk 15-18 100mg/day day1-11, 50mg/day day12-21
looks pretty tight...
won't argue PCT, i'm just from a different school and HAVING a PCT is 3/4 the battle.
drol is pretty harsh, bro. i understand var is difficult to get (and costly) so you may want to go the tbol route. if ur gonna go with the drol i'd suggest some liver protectant (milk thistle, liv52...)
other than that... ENJOY!
You're a champ thanks for everything bro. I'll take some time to look for Anavar before jumping into my cycle, and if I can't I'll be sure to accompany the cycle with some liver backup. Cheers.
Eq IS Bold bro...
and yeah, looking to stay lean because I'm(possibly) looking to do some training in the ring and Tren would KILL me (cardio-wise)
I may also add Tren to the cycle and put off Ring training til the spring (cutter).
Will be posting (possible) cycles/goals next month looking for opinions (LOVE this site!)
AnonMMA Bro? If you're talking about training, I did it for 2 summers..wish I had the time to commit to it once again.
Yes nolvadex will do. I personally don't like dbol being that you loose 90% of your gains I think its a waste of money. I would take that money and invest in a little more Anavar. Seeing that you want to increase strength Anavar is the way to go. I think also hittting the prop at the end for a smoother transition to pct is a great idea.
Agree with Logan.
Dbol and volume training would be so painful. Anavar would be much better for your goals.
Agree with logan about using adex instead of nolva while ON CYCLE and with vette about kicking with test p
(IMO) this optimum cycle would look something like this:
Test p 100mg/eod 1-4
Test c-600mg/wk 1-12
Equipose 600mg/wk 1-12 (eq is slow gainer so at least 12 wks is BEST)
Test p 100mg/eod wk 13-14 (makes easier transition into PCT)
Adex .5/e3d wk 1-12
HCG 250mg/ 2Xwk wk 3-12 then 3Xwk wk 13
PCT of ur choice
Looks alot like what i (may) be running this winter myself ; )
Awesome, I've done some research about the test p to kickstart and I'll definitely do that. Why would you recommend HCG. I know a lot of people say its mandatory but then others say its not, I'd like to hear your opinion on why its necessary. And how does Test p for last two weeks make it an easier transition?
I'm not doubting your info, I just like to understand why I'm doing what I'm doing so i don't screw up my cycle by doing something wrong ;) thanks a lot for the input, greatly appreciated
HCG is a jumpstart to the naddys. think of it like if you had a leak in a tire. its much easier to pump the tire up while its a little low as opposed to it being flat... so HCG is like keeping "some" air in the tire. Is it "necessary"? that is questionable and a matter of opinion but I believe in using all of the resources you can for a safe and successful cycle.
and a test p taper at the end, well, on a long ester test there is a 10-14 day declination of hormone before you PCT with a short ester there is a 3 day... would you rather crash for 2wks or 3days?
Understood. I would have to agree, pro active on the nadds and less crash? Can't go wrong. Thanks again ;)
You have a good cycle but if you are looking for strength gains I would add anavar at 30mg /day it can be compared to anadrol as far as strength increases goes and is liver safe so you can be on for all 12 weeks without doing damage to your liver. I would also change from nolvadex to .5mg of arimadex during weeks 1-12 and run 40mg of nolvadex along with the clomid during pct.
Would it be okay to follow "assbrown's" recommendation of dbol wk 1-4 and also throw in the Anavar? If I can't get my hands on Arimidex would the nolva be okay?
My only advice is to lower clomid to max 100.it has been proven that it is pointless to run it higher than 100 for our bodybuilding purposes and anything above is definately highly toxic.
Awesome thanks for the info I'll make the change!
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Danabol? 1-4 weeks at 40-50mg???
Thought about taking some dbol but have never tried it, wanted to avoid orals because of the high toxicity I keep getting told to stay away from. Would taking it at 50mg/day in two doses for 4weeks give me anything to worry about? Milk thistle necessary?
I hear the early gains in a cycle from dbol are a great motivator and it definitely sounds worth it, just wondering if it's too big of a step (if there's such a thing). My first two cycles were straight test e@500mg/wk(250mg every 4days) for 8 weeks the first cycle and 10 weeks the second. Used nolvadex and clomid post cycle(no sides during cycle).
Thanks for the input!
AnonLiv52 would probably be a better call if you persist on running it.
Test is 1-13
Equipose 1-12
Sorry for typo