posted Wed, 08/01/2012 - 20:49
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no gain on test enth. high or low estrogen levels? help!!!
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Hey guys im not new to juice i have ran multiple cycles over the last year and a half but right now im running test e at 900mg aweek and for the first 20 days i ran some tne form big d to kick start it. I was on a sust cyle b4 this at 700mg a week. Im on week 7 with the test e but i have no strenght gains or size gains. I get my protein and calorie intake every day. Im wondering since i.been on so long that possibly i might have high or may be low estrogen levels. Im not on any anti estrogens. The last two cycles i did i didnt get much gains from them. What am i doing wrong and/or what is happening. I do notice that my energy levels are down and i get sum serious night sweats? Thanks for your help.
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Ik this is a super old post but did lowering e2 fix your problem? I Feel like im almost in the exact same situation
Food....lazy at gym....
I see you say tren is over my head obviously pct and AL are not my stong points. I research dieting and steroids everyday for the past year. I kno plenty of guys my age running test prop and tren ace and getting great results. Another question i have is what exactly do you think is going on with me. Why am i now at negative 2 karma dont understand that?
tread-mI have a young buddy that was here who had done a SHIT TON of research my friend, he is dead. About your age, these are not vitamins, not protein or creatine, these are very powerful drugs tren being one of the top. Set aside your ego and your "buddies" ignorance and listen here ok. I gain nothing from this site ok, only here to see you not make mistakes I made at your age and do this right. So far you have failed at that and I say let's fix it. The negative points are from someone who down voted you for what the perceived to be ignorance but that's not a rule violation so I'll give you some points back here for at least being willing to have a conversation but I want you to forget about tren alright and get on the plan to success. Don't F around with things that are not in the protocol for your young age and just follow the program, it works. This young buddy of mine here btw that is now dead was an EXTREMELY SMART individual. May have actually been his downfall, you get to thinking you are above the "normal" protocols and next thing you know you can find out you're not. Now to be fair and honest he may have been playing with insulin but told me it was a tren run only. Even there many of us tried as we are with you to talk some sense into him and during that process one of his family members came to tell us they had just had his funeral. You are not above this brother and there are far too many ways too achieve without tren for today. I won't beg you to take our help but I strongly urge you to and if you do you will grow. Btw, my buddy here was getting "great results" as you put it on the tren train as well, right up to the second his heart stopped beating, then not so much.
Ok im glad i did this post bc i now understand things alot better.i got clomid nolv and adex coming. I want to do things right so i am healthy and so i get great gains. Take me under your wings and show me. I want to learn and be great at this. I never found somthing that i love doing so much. I love the lifestyle. Can we discuss the plans after this pct. Like how long i should wait b4 getting back on juice and my next cycle?
I didnt read below what everyone else said but here is the way it has worked for me.
On this cycle I had stopped gaining weight at about 8 weeks and was stuck for a bit. within 5-9 days of getting on some good aromasin my weight started going up quickly again. my guess is high estro kills gains. My libido was gone also, that came back like crazy also.
tread-mReading below, you're on your way brother to better days with more knowledge ahead. Grab up some aromsin with your nolv/clom because we want to bang it a little while we wait for pct to begin to lower test/shbg. Continue your test use right now until it all comes in so you don't end up shutdown and waiting on the mail.
I got clomid and nolv coming. Should i run aromsin with my next cycle. Im gonna run tren ace and prop for my next cycle
tread-mWe get some serious diet convo for you here and test only is an incredible cycle at your age. I guarantee you if you get the right diet yr round you achieve beyond belief and even in a test cycle it blows your mind. You can get tren like effects at your age with proper carb manipulation. You can use these diets to have compound effect because you have all the compound running through that young body. Tren is a no go for me at your level of experience and age. Again, slow up here my man, there is a much better way I promise you. Go over to diet section and let's start the convo and get you to growing. Yes to aromasin next run, 6.25 eod will keep esto in check. As estro goes up so do other very nasty things including sex hormone binding globulan. SHBG has one job in the body. Bind test and save it for a rainy day. Problem is, rainy day never comes so you simply get all your test robbed up and the cycle goes poorly. The AI is a start place and can be adjusted as we see the results and the sides etc. Takes time to learn those things but you have plenty of highly experienced people here to walk you through it day by day if needed.. slow the roll brother it will pay dividends.
Tread to the rescue. Getbig that guy has guru beside his name for a reason. Please take his advise. Tread and Viking and Goth and Srgstedenko will show you how to become a monster without fucking up your body. All you have to do is read everything they write here. Bust your ass in the gym and the kitchen I promise you huge results!
Thanks for the vote of confidence brother... i think i can speak for us all here... we try our best
Tren hold on my young bro. I know the cavelry will be here soon to talk to you about what's next. I would suspect Tread and Vike and Zewi will chime in to help me put the brakes on. Tren is way over your head just yet! Please slow down and read everything on this site. It will map out the proper route!
We only want to help. If you would have come here before your aas started we would have advised against it. You have shut down all that great natural test you still have at 23. All us old guys would die for 23 yr old test running through our bodies. You have shown great maturity by taking the priceless advise you are getting. Steroids 101. Stay with us you could earn a masters degree
I appreciate your honesty and help i love bodybuilding and yes i am impaciate. I just wanna look like the bodybuilders you see in the magazines. I a deff gonna do what you say i will get my pct coming and when i get that i will shut the cycle down. TREAD-M could you explain the pct to me in detail bc as you kno i dont kno much about them. Thank you. Also thank you for not bashing me trust me im already depressed enough.
zewiFor your PCT you will need NOVA and Clomid
Clomid-- Clomiphene works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone.
Novadex—Nova also increase the serum levels of LH,FSH –it block estrogen receptors—which in turn lowers estrogen in the body. Most commonly in the breast tissue.
So Clomid and Nova work hand in hand to get LH to your testis so your testis will produce natural test.
As for a PCT
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
thanks for the explaination. I uderstand what the 100/100/50/50 thats the mg dosage. how many weeks do i take it for
wait i understand now correct me if im wrong but for the first two weeks i take 100mg a day and then the remaining two week i take 50mg a day
Anonmake sure you wait three weeks after ending your cycle to start your pct.. get yourself some aromisin for your next cycle .. if you have some trouble finding some send one of us a pm .. we can direct you to a good source
zewiyeah what she said....
zewicorrect
zewithats broken down in weeks..
thanks for everybodys help i really do appreciate it. Trust me over time i will get better at this and eventually i will b the one giving advice on here lol.
zewiJust remember to Plan out your hole cycle, ask questions about it and do research.
You have just gotten the best advise you will ever get. Stick with us here we will make you a monster if you have the will to do it right!
tread-mAlright brother I dug up your stats here and pretty young but you are where you are so I'll run through this. First thing I get the feeling you don't have the patience you need and that begins with your age of course but then the other hint was "multiple cycles in the last 1.5 yrs. If you run a 12 week cycle that should consume about 18 weeks. Then time on plus pct is time off is another 18 weeks so there's 36 weeks. So multiple implies 3 or more meaning a minimum of 118 weeks right? So year and a half and multiple cycles indicates a lack of patiencem the odds are pretty good that lack of patience is spilling over into your kitchen and gym. Meaning maybe over training not having patience, cutting corners not having patience so I think as much as anything you are simply spinning your wheels. You finally get to where you are taking a step forward and a step back which is a zero net gain anywhere and may even fall into the loss category. So let's assume you did get proper down time and I can't talk you back to the "basics" getting it done in the kitchen and gym. You have to hop on your AI protocol even if its the minimum dose at .com25 eod adex or 6.25 aromasin eod and control the cycle a little bit. The more you cycle the tougher you have to work in that kitchen and you can't overtrain being impatient or you spin your wheels there. Right here right now its this for me other than just shut the cycle down ,pct and get back to your basics. Follow the AI protocol, train each body part once a week, drink water like its about to be taken away from you, limit your salt and make sure you have a diet you can actually achieve with on a 6 meal plan. You should be able to gain with a good builders diet focused on your goal without gear. This means if you can't do it with gear you're likely way off base somewhere or everywhere. Get in here and break down your diet for us, not the one you wrote down the one "you" actually use and made your religion. How many cals ed, how many meals ed, how many cheats ed etc etc. Once we know the gear is good and you are training properly it comes down to diet. Keep in mind, especially once you achieve a little bit, diet becomes more and more important. You either have the diet control the goal or you are going to yoyo. Btw, diet is a way of life, its yr round not just in the cycle. If you return to old habits in diet post cycle, the old you is coming back. Diet is the constant to achieve and if it is the cause and your goal is the effect, that cause stays in place or the effect is history.
56tooU know Tread, your post makes me proud to be a member of this board. You correct without flaming the kid and try to lead him in the right direction and you're the guru. Some would come up in here and bash the shit out of him, for what. I think there's a much better chance this young man will take your advice and turn things around.;-}
tread-mI appreciate that 56, really do!
TREAD-M... Guru!... Gentleman of the highest calibre... You better be a F-ing Homo cos uncle Vike is coming for a cuddle!.... no tongues though and i would prefer if you wore a bodydom!cant afford medication for any STDs i spent all my money on roids and sides of beef lmao!
tread-mYou know I relax the no homo rule when you and I and the girls are all together! I just use that 3 second rule like when you drop food and it seems to work! Lmaoooo
zewiYou always beat me in here... But i agree with everything.
It really does sound like he is not taking enough time off, and doing correct PCT..
Not being Patient will hurt you.
tread-mStats/age...do you have an AI on hand, properly running your down times and pct? Holding water in your face etc?
Im 23 6' 2". Weigh 225. No i dont have any Al. No noticable water in face. Never actually ran any pct. I kno thats not the smatest thing.
tread-mBrother you are going to fail miserably. I mean make all the same mistakes myself and others have for yrs if you don't figure this out. I would say get your AI and pct on hand and once you have it we shut the cycle down, pct and start over. This is not what you want to do, its what you need I promise you. You need your axis to return to normal before you end up on trt for life. Order tonight and make this happen then come here or get in my PM box and let's guide you through this. I'd like to see you pct and then wait 4 weeks and do bloods to see if you have damage and check those natty levels. Let's get you right bud this is a disaster headed your way trust me on this. Pct is clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolva 40/40/20/20. I would like to see you run your aromasin as well once they all come in at 12.5 eod for the 2 week period following last pin and start pct 2 weeks after last pin. No good will come from your current path. You will have to step back to achieve.