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This cycle coming up is going to be my 2nd cycle.
Current stats: 24, 195lbs, 5'8'' 12% bf
The gear: Sustanon 350 mg/ml and Dianabol
Planned PCT: Last pct I ran was Clomid for 21 days after last injection (not counting the days I waited after the half life of the test to be out of my system)
I was curious what everyone's thoughts were about the best way to cycle this? My plan was to run a kick start with the dbol for the first 4 weeks, probably at a lower dose (no higher than 40mg). I would dose the Dbol twice ED, once in the AM once Preworkout, PM.
The sustanon I was planning on running at 500mgs a week, pinning EOD (monday, wed, friday) to take advantage of the test prop.
note: Gonna have some nolva and dex on hand just in case. Can never be too careful
I am still a rookie at this stuff guys...please comment with your advice! Let me know what works best for you in the past. Also I know some guys run a small dose of Dex during their cycle of dbol to keep bloat down. Is this wise? or not?
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Also I am actually 21 not 24..i know I know. Scandalous. I am a premed student at a highlevel college so I know how stupid I was being, however I do want to look into running something in the future (5 years or so) So i will remain on this forum looking for training/diet advice. Thanks brothers
Anonpremed also and 23 here although I'm still doing the pre-reqs.... Got myself into being on TRT by listening to the people I was surrounded by in my teens you'd probably end up in the same boat listening to those asshats. You're dodging such a huge bullet by not listening to other fucking people in real life you really have no idea. While there is some discussion over what age is suitable for AAS use 21 is definitely not there yet your HPTA may not recovery fully from a cycle even done properly.
Add me and shoot a PM if you want to chat. I can definitely tell you what NOT to do (from experience) and although I am sure as hell not on Viking's level as far as knowledge about absolutely anything, from the looks of it I could definitely help out with your diet and training. You have a good base to get going with I bet you could put on 10 solid pounds in 4-5 months doing things right at your age. Vike is right - from the picture I would think you were a natural and definitely think you can still make HUGE gains without gear. I'm also very curious about a few other things but I'll leave that to PM if you don't mind me asking.
To the guy still being condescending commenting below.... no need for that man he owned up to the truth I give him a +1 for that.
Thanks for the +1 brother, yeah I was young and dumb and was taking advice from peers that will pay later in life. Planning on getting shit down right first, hanging around this site and gathering good evidence on nutrition and training ect. I was just taking the lazy way out when I found I could get my hands on gear, but Im gonna put my nose to the grind stone and see what gains I can make naturally.
AnonBiggest thing is food don't be afraid to lose the abs as a natty it's gonna fuckin' happen if you want that size..... but also training advice can be skewed since training while cycling and training natty are drastically different as far as what delivers results at least in my experience. You bust your ass either way but results FOR ME came from using a bit more weight and lower reps (4-6) cycled with high rep and medium rep weeks at random when I was natural. I probably took shit too seriously at 18-19 but whatever I figured it out lol. Not going to failure, strict perfect form. Going to failure frequently for a lot of people isn't such a good thing - not that it isn't a tool to be utilized occasionally just was overtaxing for me personally when natty and got much better results with planned weight percentages based on my one rep max + planned reps.
Just my experience though, I'm sure other people have different opinions.
I agree, sometimes you gotta leave your ego at the door and make sure you have controlled smooth reps really concentrating on the negative. I feel it a lot more that way as opposed to loading the bar a slinging some heavy weight, don't get me wrong there is a time for that, but shouldn't be the way you train all the time.
AnonGood point, fully controlling the negative on chest presses in particular is huge for me. Control all the way down to just before the chest then explode none of that bouncing garbage. Slinging around the weight all sloppy like is just asking for injury, training your ego more so than the muscles. Not that I don't ever do it sometimes a bro wants to see where he's at lol but 9 workouts out of 10 definitely strict through and through.
lying gets you no where. pre med means shit real life experience does take vikings advice then pm guy below that for nutrition advice...... your age is very important lying is going to hurt you not us good luck.
You look 18-21 in your pic. No need to lie, but props for coming clean.
Nothing wrong with learning about all this, but doing it at your age is. Follow the solid advice below (diet, train, etc.) and you will be amazed at what you will accomplish. You will thank yourself for doing this when your old like me.
Thanks guys, Its technically my second cycle not third (edit), unfortunately my wrestling couch in high school got me started on test at around 19 my senior year. All of my older friends are just running shit tons of gear and getting bigger So i fell for that trap... I am going to take the forums advice, swallow my pride, and hold off another cycle until I do more research and experimenting with my diet. Thanks for the sound advice, I knew something was wrong but I did not have the stomach to admit it.
Great choice, that's the beauty of this place. You put forth the effort swallow your pride like you said and you will get all the help you could ever ask for. May not be what you want to hear, but it will be best for you. I was a lot like you. It's tough not to jump on the roid train when all your buddies are. Train hard and get your diet dialed in, when you do get on another proper cycle you'll be in beast mode.
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I just had a look at your current pic bro.... seriously now i dont wanna come across too heavy but it seems to me your nutrition knowledge is lacking badly bro...... i can see a good 30lbs increase on your frame with some hardcore eating tactics and jacking up the intensity within your workouts.... that body there is screaming for work and forced nutrition.... NOT GEAR!.... you look natural actually so your last cycles were flops imo..... use your age wisely and make yourself a nutrition expert so when you do come around to using gear even the slightest amount will make a dramatic impact.
NO cycle advice from me.... nutrition and hardcore intensity is key here.... there is nowhere for growth to hide if you get these things correct....... fail to master these two suggestions and no matter how much gear you run now or in the future you will always look the same.
I have just given you the secrets to body-building.. disregard my advice and you will fail time and time over.
I thought exactly the same when I looked at his pics the other day. If the OP wants food and training advice I'll help but not on cycle advice.
Thanks bro.. thats the cure for this one.
Alright, we'll it's time for you to do you're third cycle. Not sure what your previous cycles were but sounds like possibly you could be unfamiliar with the compunds you are wanting to use. Not what you wanna hear but I'm sure you've heard this before. What works for me may not work for you or anyone else for that matter. Thats why we experiment and learn these compounds one at a time to see how we react to them so we can tweak things to meat our goals.
Yes people run arimidex to help keep bloat down aka keeping estrogen under control. Dbol is not to be singled out. They're are many aas that need the assistance of and ai( aromatase inhibitor) to keep hormone levels in check. This is another thing that YOU need to experiment with and preferably do blood work to know for sure what works for you.
Sorry couldn't hep you more just sounds like you got a lot of research ahead of you that imo you should be slightly more educated on at this point going on your third cycle. Read, REad, READ, this site is full of great information. You can find just about anything you are looking for by using the search function(magnifying glass) at the top of the page by the eroids icon. GOOD LUCK!
Standards around here mean that you should be waitng until your 26 to run gear. You wont be getting much advice except take a step back and think about what you could negatively effe t your self bro.
Doesnt seem like you understand Ai o r Pct. R e a d
24 and third cycle. When did you start using AAS and what were your previous cycles? I'd say hold off for a while and do some more research.