+ 1 New guy seeking minor tweaks/advice
I'm sure answering these posts begins to get old after a while, and I apologize if this seem monotonous.
I'll start with stats.
28 year old male
13~14% body fat
5'10, 182 lbs
Running first aas cycle.
250mg/1ml test e x 2 a week
I took everything directly off the advised new guy forums etc. copied the diet almost word for word minus a few tweaks her and there, ordered my pct, ai, gear. However after the first shot the ai was lost in a rather stupid incident. I have another 50 x 1mg of armidex ordered and should be here next week.
My question is how early into a cycle should one be concerned about gyno? My right nipple for whatever reason is slightly tender/sore. What should I be on the look out for, or am I completely blowing this out of proportion? I have no doubt that the answer is somewhere in the forums and that is on me to dig further, however I was hoping someone with more experience would be willing to offer some advice. Should I take a low dose of nolva till my ai comes in or wait it out?
The first shot was Wednesday 21 October 15. Looking for any advice.
Please and thank you.
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My first question bud, is did you get bloods before you started cycle? Anyone can get gyno at any time be it veteran or newbie...The difference is the vets know how to deal with it in stride with an effective method. That being said if you did get blood labs drawn great then you followed the newbie advice well. If not I would still get labs drawn. They only take a few days and you will have something to go on. You will know just by comparing the numbers whether your estro is high and that is the cause or if it is your head playing games with you.
Good luck!
OK...Edit....I shot my wad before I read below!
Dacky and Rusty have you on point!
Thank you havoc, I still appreciate any input. The biggest mistake I've made is not running labs prior. By far the dumbest thing I've done. If you recommend doing labs I'll get the test ordered and blood pulled first thing Monday. I'd only be 2 pins in so it'll at least give me something to compare with the week 4-5 labs. I appreciate any and all advice. Just to be sure I'm ordering the right test it's the female hormone panel with the male base line from privatemdlabs.com correct? I know it's the one rusty recommended but when I go to order it, it asks for the baseline
Thank you again
Yes the female panel with the male base line. There is another more expensive one but that is for later in the cycle.
Awesome brother I appreciate it. Probably a silly question but once I get the results would you mind lending some advice on any changes? ( I say silly question because I assume you will have no problem giving me advice, I just want to ask, and for it to be known I'm exceptionally grateful for everyone that's given advice.)
RustyhookerCry havoc. ..he's a baddass here. Peep his forums.
Thank you rusty hooker. I figured I was making it worse I my head. And I absolutely understand why people order extra. I really appreciate it. I was tracking the female hormone panel between week 5-6 definitely looking forward to this cycle working for me.
One last question when the new ai comes I plan on running .25mg e3d just to be safe. The tablets come in 1mg. Just break them into 4th's as best as possible? Again thank you
RustyhookerI wouldn't start ai til needed. Estro is needed for muscle growth and joint support. Its excess estro that can cause some issues. If your face gets super greasy, spca commercial makes you sad....then the .25e3d starts. If you crash estro the joints hurt, muscle growth stops, life sucks.
That's what I've been digging through the forums for. Some say ai e3d, others say none. But the one consistent is a crashed e2 is no dice, and trying to fix it can be equally as difficult. I'm hoping I can hold off till week 5 when bloods ran and adjust from there.
Completely separate reading up about hcg if it's not started at week 4, but started a little later in the cycle is it still effective?
RustyhookerHcg on a base cycle imo is a waste. Wait til youre a muscled powerhouse on long or very harsh cycles. Enjoy the simple eat and grow cycles. My first test only was 18 pounds. 15 after pct and fat drop. Loved the old days!
Thanks Rusty. I had been on the fence about trying to get hcg and running it especially considering I'm doing the basic of basic cycles. From everything I've read nolva/clomid should do the trick just fine. I came into this cycle with very modest expectations like I said earlier 15-20 Lbs of lean mass was all I was looking for. Honestly I would be happy to walk away with a solid 10 Lbs and increased endurance. I will definitely check out Havoc's forums, I've started reading through yours as well. The amount of info this website contains is out of this world, whether someone is looking to run a cycle or just get on the right track in the gym this site is second to none. Yourself, Cry_havoc, and Dacky are all badass IMO especially since all three of you are so willing to offer help/advice to me even though I made such a retarded mistake and didn't get blood done prior to the cycle. I really appreciate it. I ordered the female hormone panel tonight and will get the blood pulled early Monday morning. I know it's not ideal but I'll only be 2 pins into the cycle and it will at the very least give me my e2. I would also be extremely grateful if you guys could lend some advice on what to do once the labs do come back. If there is anything else that I am missing or forgetting please bring it up, I'm here to learn and do this the right way and welcome any constructive criticism, I'm even fine with heckling for being a noobie and making such a retarded mistake about the blood. Again thank you, you guys have been outstanding
RustyhookerGeneral forums...catalyst food section up top. Its all food and gym.. gear is just repair.
Nothing to add to what Rusty said below. It's defo in your head. Week 4 bloods will tell the story and dose from there. I use pharmagrade adex when I use it and those pills are tiny and impossible to break by hand. My advice is buy a pill cutter online or from your local pharmacy.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^^bingo!
I appreciate it dacky, you guys have been incredibly helpful. There's a blood draw center right down the road from so thats too easy, and at 50-60 buck it's very reasonable. I just wanna make sure I'm doing it right. Thanks again.
No worries bro. I can't stress the importance of blood tests, pre, on and post cycle. There is great info on this site to help guide you here and knowledgable people if you run into issues or have questions. I get the feeling you didn't pull bloods before you started so if I'm right you don't have a base line to compare to. It's not ideal but you can work with it using "normal ranges" and listening to your body. Going forward once this cycle is over and assume you cycle again then post pct and recovery and just before staring a new cycle pull those bloods so you have a base line. By the way you haven't mentioned you plan for PCT. what is it? Edit - also what is your goal with this cycle, diet and training plan?
Thanks Dacky, you would be correct in your assumption that bloods weren't drawn. Something I'm quickly regretting. But I suppose everyone has beginner mistakes and work with the normal ranges will have to do.
For my pct I have nolva and clomid on hand. Plan to start 2 weeks after last pin and run 100mg clomid, 40mg nolva for 2 weeks, then drop to 50mg clomid, 20mg nolva for next 2 weeks. Also after reading I'm considering ordering aromasin and running that as well. I have to do some more digging on dosing etc. some of the sides seem a bit extreme and I'm curious if you can run adex in its place. I've also started reading up on hcg a lot and am contemplating running 250 iu x 2 a week starting at week 4 if I can get my hands on some.
My goals for this are fairly modest looking to gain 15~20 lbs of lean mass while boosting my endurance significantly.
My workout routine is pretty solid I lift 6 days a week and have been doing so for the past 6 years. I'm currently following the rocks Hercules work out for a few weeks just for fun. I also do morning pt 5 days a week mon-fri which consists of runs/rucks/push up and pull up improvement.
My diet is literally copied almost word for word out of one of the newbie nutrition posts consisting of 7 meals a day. If you want I can give you a meal by meal break down
Always a pleasure bud. I was offline for a while and see Rusty and Cry Havoc have both been on with awesome advise. PCT looks ok to me for this cycle. I would consider running some aro at 6.25mg every 3 days for rebound estro control - that's just me though knowing how my body works.
My only other suggestion is make sure you get enough calories and macros in. It sounds like you are very active with a fair amount of "cardio" in the am 5 days a week and lifting 6 days a week. Got to make sure you eat enough or you won't grow. I think if this is on point there is no reason why you won't over achieve on that goal. Good luck brother and keep us posted on progress please.
I appreciate it brother, I've read a lot about aro becoming a standard in pct today. I was on the fence about ordering some hcg but after talking to rusty I don't think it's necessary. So rather than ordering the hcg I think I'm going to order some pharma grade aro. If I've learned anything in this short period of time it's definitely you can never have too much ai. I'm also going to take havocs advice and get blood pulled on Monday, I know it's a bit late but still better than nothing. As far as the early morning cardio that unfortunately is a requirement for my chosen career, however I'm the one that makes the pt plan so as I progress along in the cycle it will curtailed to my needs. I'm currently consuming 4500-5000 calories daily. Going to see how that treats me for the first few weeks and adjust from there. If you have any advice on my diet or if I need to add/remove please don't hesitate. Thank you again brother and I'll keep you updated on the progress. FR sent as well
RustyhookerFirst shot? No worries. Its in your head. Always order extras. You just saw why folks build a stash. Order pharma or high grade ugl.
Typically 4th week estro may ruse but tgats depending on your body. Bloods week 5 buddy. Make cycle work for you.
Privatemdlabs.com the female hormone panel for $59