new cycle for feedback
I'm an intermediate aas user and I want some feedback on my next cycle. I recently messed up real bad and ran
Sustanon 250 mg
tren ace 100 MG
masternon 100 MG
EOD
with 100 MG of test suspension ED in between.
This cycle really messed me up and I didn't run a PCT with it which only made my sides worse in the end.
my levels have been so low that working out has been non existent in the last 2 months. Sex drive has been lower than ever and water bloat has been ridiculous.
I'm getting back on track now and my next cycle is as follows
300 MG of test prop EOD first week to Jumpstart and front load
Week 2 - 8
100 MG test cyp
100 mg tren ace
EOD
80 mcg Clen
50 mcg t3
12.5 mg aromasin
1000 mg Glucophage
ED
I'm stuck in my PCT. I can't decide between nolvadex and clomid or if I should take both. Also trying to figure out if I should take aromasin throughout PCT also.
Feedback is greatly appreciated
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RustyhookerBasskiller online has a reboot program. Hcg, clomid, nolva. Check there. Or magnifying glass up top. Reboot forums
So I have my labs but i cant figure out how to post a pic here
Results:
FSH 0.00
LH 0.00
TSTO 81.95
PRGE 0.38
eE2 26.34
PSA 0.39
CA125 5.3
Obviously I really messed myself up. My test is low as hell and my LH and FSH are nonexistent. all of my blood levels were normal in my CBC test though. Please help all advice is welcome. Thanks
You need to do a proper PCT and try to reboot everything. Those numbers are NOT good. I am not a PCT expert since I am on TRT but you need to research everything about PCT here and put up post specifically dealing with your labs here so we can get you going again. You shouldn't even think about running a cycle anytime soon or you may never recover.
Thanks for the advice. I just posted my labs in the PCT forum and i'm doing more research.
Hope it works out for you. There are some people there who really know their stuff to help get you on the right track.
I think the better idea is to do this.
Get your bloodwork done, and if the results come back and you happen to have normal baseline test levels (comparative to your bloodwork prior to any other cycles) then congratulations, you lucked out and didn't fuck yourself over completely. Then you can go back to the drawing board and rethink your cycle, dial it in, and come back here so we can tweak it.
If however, your natural levels are abysmal, which they most likely are because you can't "feel" how your testosterone levels are doing... You can forget about this cycle, run a heavy PCT to try and jumpstart your system (there's great threads on doing just that in this forum) and then when your bloodwork shows you've recovered (which you hopefully will at 28) you can go back to the basics.
And why do I say you can't go off of how you feel? Because I've had great libido since I can think of... All throughout HS and college I've been fucking almost daily, with a few mishaps here and there of space shuttle launch errors. Guess what? My tests still showed low T levels... I just managed to have avoid libido issues when I was younger, but the fatigue, spacing out, inability to focus, mood swings, etc were still present. And you wanna know the best part? It only got worse as I got older. So, just because your sex drive is up compared to a month ago, doesn't mean your body is actually back to normal. Go get your bloodwork done and stop dicking around.
Good advice.
Everyone is right. I'll go do that this week. Thanks for the great advice. I'll repost when I have my results
good to see you are taking their advice. When you do come back, don't put up a crazy ass cycle like the one you were proposing here.
300 MG of test prop EOD first week to Jumpstart and front load
Week 2 - 8
100 MG test cyp
100 mg tren ace
EOD
80 mcg Clen
50 mcg t3
12.5 mg aromasin
1000 mg Glucophage
ED
This isn't a good cycle?
Not a good cycle. You need to start over.
Ok well I'll have my blood work this weekend so maybe then everyone can give me some pointers
That's what we are here for. The more info you can provide the better advice we can give. Be sure to include current stats, previous cycle history and the goal you want to accomplish with this cycle. Current diet and training are also a big plus. No one is going to spoon feed you a cycle so be sure you do some research and propose a realistic cycle that fits your goal and current AAS experience level.
Thanks for the advice. I'll get all my details together and come back
+1 for the open mind and for doing the correct thing. Make sure you post back up so we can see how you're doing. I hope you also have prior labs we can compare to!
Good luck! Send me a FR too if you have further questions, or just to let me know when your labs come in.
AnonYou need to get bloodwork done before considering anything else. What is your cycle history? No offense but you ran a harsh ass cycle with no pct, I dont consider that to be anywhere near intermediate experience.
I know it was a harsh cycle. It was a mistake on my part trying to do too much at once and it backfired. The only way to learn in this field is to try different approaches. A usual cycle for me is
100 mg test prop or cyp
150 mg tren ace
EOD
60 mg oral stan
80 mg clen
50 mg t3
.5 mg arimidex
ED
I usually don't run a pct because I don't take too much test and I contract it with the AI. I've always been fine between cycles this way. Sustanon plus test suspension was a horrible idea and I learned my lesson. I'm just trying to get advice on my next pct though.
AnonNot taking too much test doesnt really matter. Tren is gonna shut you down. And doing a low dose of test with .5mg adex everyday will crash your estro for sure. Is 80mcg of clen your starting dose? That much would fuck me up if I didnt slowly work up to it.
Pct should be nolva and clomid, although toremifene and clomid would be better imo. I would blast some hcg for a couple weeks before starting pct as well. What are your goals for the cycle? Do you have anything for prolactin?
I have been cycling on and off of clen for months. the sides are barely noticeable now apart from the excessive sweating while working out. I looked up toremifene and couldn't find much research on it. My supplier is also out of stock. My goals are
165 lbs
6% bodyfat
I usually stick with light cycles because I'm not really trying to bulk up. Gynocomastia and prolactin have never been issues during any of my cycles.
AnonWhy cycle on and off clen for months? There is plenty of research on torem if you look hard enough.
What do you consider a light cycle? Nothing involving tren should be thought of as a light cycle.
Do you get bloodwork on cycle? Thats the only way to know if you are really having estrogen or prolactin issues. Just because you dont physically see any problems does not mean there aren't other problems internally.
Go get bloodwork, thats the best advice you are gonna get right now.
I've read that clen should only be run 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so that's what I stick to. As getting blood work is what I've heard from everyone that's what I'm going to do. I just made an appointment for this weekend. Thanks for all the feedback. I will repost when I have my results
RustyhookerUtter bullcrap! You haven't pct with 2 months off feeling shitty and going back on? Redonculous!!!!!
I've had 2 months off and have been going all Natural with vitamins and a clean diet trying to bring my levels back up. I don't need a blood test to know when I'm feeling better. No offense. I was feeling shitty right after my cycle because of my mistake of no pct but as I stated I'm back on track and trying to get feedback on my next pct
Rustyhooker2 months off with no blood is bunk dude. You can't "feel" your balls dying.
Of course you're right that i should get bloods done. I am going off of my sex drive and the feeling during sex. I'm not the most experienced aas user but I do feel a difference from 1 month post cycle to now. My sex drive is up, I have more energy to workout, and I'm less lethargic than before. Based upon those facts I'm feeling that my testosterone reproduction is restarting and my body is beginning to return to its natural hormonal state. Again, you are right and I should get my bloods but in the meantime any feedback you could give me on the pct I mentioned would be appreciated.
RustyhookerFeedback. Sure!
Privatemdlabs.com female hormone panel. Then prepare for another pct and/or 2 more months off cycle.
Stats?
28
5'5"
175 lbs
11% bodyfat
RustyhookerNo stats. No skill. No brains. Get bloods done buddy. Privatemdlabs.com