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+ 1 Let's talk reasonable doses

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I made a retarded post yesterday outlining a plan to take way too much gear and too many compounds.
So lets talk what's reasonable and what makes sense?
I've got this stuff on hand:
Test E
EQ
Anavar
Arimidex
Aromasin
Nolvadex
Cardarine
Telmisartan
Metformin
Cialis
Methylene blue
As well as Im on a comprehensive year round stack of vitamins, minerals, fish oil, and other such stuff.
For a second cycle, how would you proceed?
I have tried EQ before and respond very well, and had bloods on eq around 18 weeks that showed my estrogen wasn't tanked, I like EQ because I aromatize like crazy on test alone.

Asa's picture

From your recent posts it sounds like you managed to add some decent poundage to your body. How often are you drawing Bloods? I find once a month is good to catch things early if something is going wrong or your body is yelling at you to stop doing what your doing. If only had Bloods at 18 weeks, that is not good.

As pump stated, test 300 and eq same or higher for your e2. I also aromatize highly and am running eq for the 1st time next month. Trying sustanon with it and will be doing daily pins because I look fwd to them everyday I wake . Have any progress pics?

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I did manage to gain at my max 25lbs, held onto 15 or so when I went down to trt levels despite missing a lot of training due to life circumstances.
Bloods have been hit and miss, I'd say about every 8 -12 weeks. I payed for them a few times but it was a pain in the ass, the best deal is actually to drive a 5-6hr round trip down across the border into Washington state. I gave up on that and managed to get my GP to give me blood requests, but its like pulling teeth and I get a lecture every time, we actually hate eachother at this point haha.
I also like frequent pins, even my 120-150mg trt id pin EOD.
Ive got some progress pics but they aren't that good and im also still pretty self conscious. Might finally feel like im not that scrawny lanky kid after a few more months of solid training.

irongame427's picture

Well, my philosophy on this is if you ran a first cycle at 500mg of test a week and got good results, why change anything? There’s no rule that says you need more the 2nd time, or more drugs and you can’t keep gaining on the same dose. Exhaust that drug at that dosage until it doesn’t work as well anymore If you want to experiment a bit, because let’s be real, it’s fun, then throw in oral kickers like dbol/tbol/adrol. I always enjoy those kick starts. By then you know how test effects you so any new sides will be from the orals. I never run anavar as a kicker. Always at the end because I use it only when cutting and towards the end of the cycle is when I’m leanest and in the biggest deficit is when it helps me the most.

You don’t need a ton of drugs for bulking. You need a drug to get you in that highly anabolic state of elevated protein synthesis, and then the food to feed and support new muscle growth. Food is what makes or breaks a bulk. Plus training and good rest/recovery obviously.

However, you’ve found that you aromatize heavily. So high test may not be best suited for you and there’s a case to be made for using something else with the smallest test base that keeps you feeling normal. But you still really want to stay well below a gram of total gear a week so early in. Could do something like 200-250 of test and 300-500mg of Eq. Or get your AI dialed in and run test at 500 again.

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I actually never got to 500mg test on my first cycle, I think I maxed out at 350mg, but I was taking a lot of eq with it. That said I was making tracks on that combination, and theres no reason not to go like 250-350 test one to one with EQ and see how I feel.

Asa's picture

You are chalked full of experience and knowledge. Love reading your answers bro.

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Pumped_'s picture

Take some test at 300mg and maybe eq at same or lower and call it a day. Just because you have it dont mean you have to take it all at once. Less is more. Stick with this until you no longer have to ask questions and you learn what each does in detail. Anavar, arimidex and aromasin leave be until you learn your bloods. Nolvadex if you are going to PCT and dont need the others unless you can explain why you need to have it in your body. And save your money and stop buying a bunch of random orals lol. 6ft 172lbs just stay basic and build. Its a marathon not a fast pace race

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I have a scarcity mindset when it comes to these drugs haha I went out and bought whatever I could afford before I ever even took something because I wanted to have that arsenal ready for whatever. Its also difficult to get things here in Canada with shipping etc, not terribly but definitely not like the states.
Im not planning on pct, I went to a cruise after my first cycle, already had small nuts and poor T numbers prior to taking anything. I have used nolvadex for gyno, and I've seen conflicting shit but more than a few people say they have better results on cycle using a serm for gyno control than taking an ai. Ultimately the best I felt on cycle was being at saturation of EQ and not needing any Ai or serm.