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+ 6 KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

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Recently I’ve seen a ton of newbies on this forum wanting to get start cycles with test, Tren, an oral, GH at a body weight of like 170lbs. Now this isn’t gonna be the most in-depth break down, I wrote this while taking a shit and thought it’d be a good use of my time

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

Repeat this after me, Keep It Simple Stupid, whenever you wonder about doing something think “ Keep It Simple Stupid” because too many of you try too hard to over complicate this shit early on

Step 1: first cycle bullshit: do 250mh of test ONLY.
You don’t need multiple shit on your first cycle, you don’t know how your body reacts to anything so why potentially end up with drastic issues due to doing a bunch of unnecessary shit. You’re gonna grow on any light test cycle if it’s your first, so long as you eat, which I’ll get to later.
Why 250mg you might ask, well thank you for asking and here is why, someone can almost get away with not using AIs on 250mg. We are dipping our toes here, this’ll let you know “hey I aromatize easy, I need an AI” or “hey I’ve had zero estrogen side effects, let’s not take an AI cause someone told me to and crash my estrogen” now if someone just need to take it due to paranoia or the inability to tell higher estrogen sides then start fucking small, 0.25mg of Adex twice a week, if that. I understand if people disagree with me but I fucking hate AIs and wish people didn’t rely on them so heavily from day 1

Step 2: eating is growing.
If you’re like “hey I’m not growing, better take more drugs” ask yourself this first, “Have I eaten enough at all during my cycle?”. Most of you guys just don’t eat or you eat junk. Before doing a cycle, try eating 3000-4000 calories clean and do that for a month (even though I suggest you have already been doing this for years), if you can and can monitor your weight, you probably can eat while on cycle properly. Side note, some of you might have to eat more or less, use the mirror and scale to determine if you need to increase or decrease.

Step 3: proper pct prevents poor penis performance
You motherfuckers do a damn cycle and then forget about your pct. if your oct isn’t solid af then you’re probably fucked for the next few months. There are a million guides on different protocols on here, personally I think hcg should be a part of most or used during the cycle to aid in it, and then your typical clomid and Nolvadex even though I think a blood test should be performed before determining what exactly to do, but having some plan before hand is suuuuper important

Step 4: blood test
This is literally the easiest part, just go to Privatemdlabs.com and make a fucking appointment then read your results. If you have trouble interpreting them then you might wanna come on here and do some research or post them to get our opinion. As Greg pointed out, you should be getting these blood test before the cycle, during, and after, this isn’t a game.

Step 5: cycle number 2 doesn’t mean take everything.
Thank you Rusty for this quote here “Cycle 2---REPEAT CYCLE 1!!! You didnt perfect it. You didnt dial in e2. Repeat. Why waste money when simple test works IF youre on point!! Low e2...you dont grow. Too high...oilly, acne etc. MAP YOUR BLOODS” Don’t think that you’re ready to take 4 compounds and GH cause you’re totally a “vet”, you still can grow from just small additions. Just up your food and you training via intensity or volume and you’ll keep growing from the addition of one thing.

If you think of trying to do a bunch of complex cycle design and shit, you’re just wasting your time cause the basic principles of growth will continue to serve you better than all that bro science.

Hope this makes sense. If the more experienced guys on here want to correct me (especially on the AI part) or add to this, please do so

sonicthetails's picture

eat to grow

Drock_357's picture

Did anyone below say repeat cycle 1yet?....oh , yah they did....
Did anyone below say if cycle 2worked then for cycle 3, repeat cycle 2?...oh, yah .....I see that’s the theme of the answers given ..:::but, what isn’t said is that cycle 1,2 or 3 can and will give different results even tho gear doses, timing, brand, pct are all the same....how you ask?... nutrition nutrition nutrition!!!!....
Check out a book by John ivy called nutrient timing...it will definitely give you some quality info to work with...learn how to manipulate cals/ macros to get your results first, the gear will take care of itself...
Imo, you can easily get 10 cycles in, all producing quality results, and never go over 600mg test and 1 oral per run....( provi excluded)....
Shit man, thats all I do and all the gals at the senior center and Zumba class can’t keep their hands of ol drock!...
Concentrate on nutrition!

Makwa's picture

Check out a book by John ivy called nutrient timing

Excellent book. For anyone serious about bodybuilding and building muscle, this is a must read.

Drock_357's picture

Agreed.....
Now if it only had some connect the dots and a coloring page, Rusty could get get some use out of it as well.....

Drock_357's picture

Oh great, here come the “your mamma” jokes... lol

Makwa's picture

Scratch and sniff might be better.

Jackie Tony's picture

Step 2 is the most neglected considering the trend of lean bulking. Glad you mentioned this.

Halsey's picture

People also need to keep in mind, this is not a sprint it's a lifelong marathon. It's going to take time and you need to be patient, more gear doesnt necessarily mean more results(learn and listen to your body).

Sam I Am's picture

I sometimes jam Kiss during workouts...

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Zalewski's picture

Rock and Roll all Nite?

Makwa's picture

Cycle 2---REPEAT CYCLE 1!!!

If it worked the first time it will work again.

Zalewski's picture

Thank you rusty for the advice, I edited the post to reflect it

Greg's picture

This is becoming complicated...

Zalewski's picture

Are you referring to the beginning when I said it wasn’t going to be? Gotta trick them into learning

Greg's picture

I would mention baseline blood work before the cycle, bloodwork during the cycle, and after PCT before the next cycle.

Zalewski's picture

Added

Sam I Am's picture

Great advice.

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