Interesting read - insight into what top-level powerlifters are running
Copied and pasted from the Outlaw Powerlifting forums
http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=tfannon
Here it is
Posted on 10/31/2014 at 11:36:48 AM by KW
I’m a little hesitant to write up everything for couple reasons. This isn’t for everyone, is not what I recommend, and I’m still experimenting. Much of my performance has been from the sheer amount of work I put in and with messing with the larger dosages this year I don’t have the capacity to train balls out like I used to (although I still train a lot if you follow my logs). HOWEVER my gym, family life, and professional life have all grown so much in the last few years that I simply don’t have the time to make it to the gym as frequently, as long, and I’m usually doing a ton of coaching when I’m there now. So I'm just figuring out how to put all this together and what works best in the end for me.
So a little background and context.
I had deadlifted 4x bw in comp before ever going on.
I set a #4 all-time multi total my first cycle on 4 years ago (and my last multi-ply meet)
I am chasing some very aggressive goals and I have some major issues that are only getting worse. I may only have a few meets left that I can try achieve my goals at before the issues become insurmountable.
Here is some basic info. Sorry I’m not going to lay all this out in an “how to” approach and there is a lot of detail and timing that is important so don’t try to duplicate without knowledge.
Off season
175-250mg test and maybe some anavar in the 100-120mg range
GH 20iu (pulsed preworkout only 4x a week)
Slin 20iu(Humalog preworkout only but timed to not interfere with GH and combined with special shake of carbs, creatine, amino’s, potassium that is drunken with it and during workout)
IGF1LR3 & PegMGF (alternate between the two immediately postworkout along with herbal Glucose shuttling sups to upregulate after GH and Slin)
GH releasing Peptides taken non training days
With this I can train like crazy and recover from it and if I do the work I can keep the progress rolling like when I’m on cycle. The pulsing approach keeps my blood sugar in control nicely versus the more frequent doses of GH most people do and seem to get better recovery with putting everything around the workout.
Cycle
Last meet 4 weeks ago I was up to the following by the meet
3100mg Test
700mg Mast Prop
700mg NPP
700mg Tren
I only ran two weeks of orals since I have bigger meet next month
2 weeks Winny/Drol @ 100mg each
Currently @ 3 weeks out
I added my GH/Slin/Peptide combo the last 4 weeks on top of everything above
Will be dropping all that in a few days to give my 3 weeks to get weight and bloat in control
3200mg test
1400mg Mast Prop (bumped to 1050 then 1400 over last 4 weeks)
1050mg NPP (just bumped)
700mg Tren
Two weeks ago I added orals (5 weeks out)
120mg Tbol
120mg Var
75mg Winny
3 weeks out (next few days) I will be dropping Var and Winny and adding
1000mcg Methly Tren
Again these dosages are fairly new to me this year. Just trying to see what I can tolerate, what the pros and cons are, and…. I’m all in, I don’t have many more shots at what I want to hit.
Had a liver function Test 3 weeks ago with AST 40 & ALT60. No anti-E or other ancillaries just relying on Masteron and over the counter PES Erase Pro.
My first All-Time raw record set earlier this year was much lower dosed.
Was only an 8 week cycle coming off GH/Slin/Peptide coast cycle.
at end I was at
1500MG Test
1100mg Mast Prop
700mg Tren
700mg NPP
600mg EQ
240mg dbol (180/240 the last weeks only)
120mg Var
one last note.... I probably spend more time on Var than off over the course of a year.
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my mouth dropped at
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"Currently @ 3 weeks out
I added my GH/Slin/Peptide combo the last 4 weeks on top of everything above
Will be dropping all that in a few days to give my 3 weeks to get weight and bloat in control
3200mg test
1400mg Mast Prop (bumped to 1050 then 1400 over last 4 weeks)
1050mg NPP (just bumped)
700mg Tren
Two weeks ago I added orals (5 weeks out)
120mg Tbol
120mg Var
75mg Winny
3 weeks out (next few days) I will be dropping Var and Winny and adding
1000mcg Methly Tren"
I'm not a powerlifter for sure and I'm a little surprised by the gear use.
The stack you are using 4 weeks out is not going to add a significant amount of dry lean muscle mass that you can recruit to increase strength. You can only build so much muscle so fast no matter what the diet and what the anabolics are.
So, where does that leave us?
You want to pull as much water into the muscle as possible to increase strength so I can understand the Testosterone strategy.
Mast Prop will work against flooding the muscle fiber with water. - It's a DHT androgen that can add to aggression at the meet, but quite frankly I would use halotestin rather than Mast, despite the toxicity which doesn't seem to concern you at this point in time.
The NPP will pull more water with the Test, so I can see it's use.
The EQ is doing nothing for you.
All you are getting from the Tren so close to the end is a CNS boost in strength - I would say the same is true for the var
The dbol will pull more water - so OK
I would look at Mibolerone as opposed to anything like Tbol. You might want to try it out before the meet. Unfortunately, while it is a popular powerlifting drug, it is the most toxic oral steroid there is.
Right this dude has some terrible drug choices. EQ, Tbol , mast. Id run test and tren, npp for joints, halo, test susp. Maybe some cheqeue drops to but idk. That stack right there would make me a damn animal. And this would only be if i was a very high level pro. If i was a gym rat power lifer i wouldn't run half that shit.
I wonder wether this guy is in the que yet............
for a fucking new liver and kidney
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You got this guy running this and the next guy running 1/4th of it and getting the same results. Everyone thinks all pros are running massive amounts of shit. Everyone has different generics, different genetic response to hormones etc. That is so much fucking gear, but i dont doubt it one bit that some of the guys are running these types of protocols.
This is for sure the most extreme that I've seen. I think I've put together who the guy is...if he breaks the all-time deadlift, squat, or total record (or all 3), maybe it's all worth it in the end
Mods, I hope this isn't against the rules. I'm certainly not advocating any of this, just interested in some discussion among the knowledgable folks here