Inspire Me
So there's been a plethora of crazy cycles, 150lb guys wanting to run gear etc making the cycle pages a ball ache at times recently. To get everyone's brains working, I'm seeking inspiration for my next run.
Stats and prior I hear you say....
6-1, 276lbs this morning around 11-12%bf.
Ran approximately a dozen cycles, used everything I can think of that's commonly available. Diet is sold around 5500-6000kcals per day, increase on cycle. 90% of my nutrition comes from real food rather than supplements. I have a protein shake post workout and casein before bed.
Goal for this is bulk. I'll eat clean but I won't hold back on food for the sake of another couple of % BF. Off season now, I'll carve up excess fat later. When I hit stage, I'm openly a "one trick pony", and that is mass. I'll never have the conditioning some of you guys do so I make up for it in size.
As always I'll train six days per week unless my body needs more time to recover. I believe in high intensity train until you can pick a thing up methodology.
So, some things to consider. 2015 has been a tough year for me. Having had testicular cancer, things like IGF are off limits now. I also don't want to go crazy with doses and I want to ENJOY this cycle. Typically I'd do this along the lines of sust / deca / drol, but I'm open to input here.
No wrong answers, like I said, inspire me! Do your worst.
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do my worst? lol well if pinning 150mg of tren acetate, 150mg of test prop, and popping 150mg of anadrol ED doesnt get you looking the best in your life nothing will lol "this is a joke and in no way am i recommending anyone do this protocol!!!!!"
but from my experience, and i enjoy tren and drol and dont get sides from them, the combo of test tren and drol really cannot be beaten in my book. never looked better...
but like you said you dont really enjoy tren, so for a pure enjoyment, fun cycle thatll get results, id just go for a basic Test only cycle + proviron with anadrol run in 4 week burst cycles all the way through. no 19-nor headaches to worry about prolactin, no complicated cycle outline ect. just crack an amp every couple days and pop drol and proviron and keep your aromasin intake ED and youll look amazing. add in EQ at 1g+ if you dont get bad anxiety from it for extra "pop and polish" or some nandrolone if you want a bit more roundness and fullness and dont mind keeping an eye on prolactin and id call it a day.
JoneDoeThats crazy a guy I no that's a dancer aka stripper. That's all he runs is Test P, Tren A,
Drol. 2cc of each every other day and 100 mgs of drol that's all he will run nothing else his big but the guy is on edge day in and out LMAO!!!!
JoneDoeHey just saw this post and saw rusty posted this cycle. What do you think if the mast E wasn't in the cycle???
1-12 deca 1g per week
1-14 sust 1g per week
1-14 cyp 1g per week
1-14 mast e 400
Provi 50 split daily
Drol 100 pulsed 2 on...2 off
RustyhookerThat was posted for the op, not something ive run. Dont use anything in this particular forum for your own purposes.
Posted below in this forum, only for catalyst.
Ive not run my test that high but site regulations disallow me from posting my cycles. They're not big, just complex.
definitely a post where the op's question should be read first
JoneDoeGot it rusty. I'm not gone to be running any of those cycles way over my head.
I do a lot of reading on here and when I see cycles like those I like to get a better understanding of what's going on. I have seen a few cycles you posted that took me some time to figure them out. But for me I'm just looking to learn more.
RustyhookerNo worries. Long ago, there were dozens of medium advanced cycled posted or tweaked on here daily. Kickers, tapers, drop in an oral if desired. Just tons of good info. The last year its been mostly cycles someone saw on bathroom wall. And instead of helping make a cool run, its nonstop talk dudes off the cliff.
JoneDoeOmfg I see you and other vets tell guys not to run off the wall cycles. It's like it really don't take that much to get there but everyone thinks more is better.
RustyhookerIts easy to get caught up. All the fancy gear you only heard about is accessible. Where to start? Add this and those and that!
I tend to overthink as well do I run my ideas past the heavy hitters. Something as simple as timing plays a big key. Fresh eyes spot it and it definitely helps.
Next week starts my sust/npp/mast run. My turn to play
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JoneDoeTo true bother!!! I just had my good friend that's a national level body builder look over my diet for my next cycle and he picked it apart I felt like a newbie. That's what it takes tho respect the vet lol.
RustyhookerYou dial that in and things change rapidly. If he's willing to help, definitely pick his brain.
and eventually, at least for me. its fun to experiment and dabble in exotic fancy gear but really theres only a handful of tried and true anabolics that i need, ime, to obtain any goal i want. testosterone, trenbolone, nandrolone, boldenone, oxymetholone, and oxandrolone. anything other than that just isnt needed in my eyes. with the correct combinations and doses paired with the right diet, those few are the best at what they do to reach any goal.
so true. im still somewhat earlier on in my experimentation, but im not a dumbass and know the ins and outs of use and have gotten to know my body well. and its true, that more is not always better. most ive ran is 2.7g of gear a week, and ive learned very quickly DIET is the key. ive focused more on diet the past two years then AAS, manipulating macros, trying new protocols ect and now im looking better than i ever have and can keep improving even on a low test dose of 350mg~ ...of course, i am one of those go hard or go home mindset guys so i still like to blast hard at times and really push the envelope (for me) but true development doesnt come from the drugs... constant attention to your craft. hard training, diet, rest, ect. and drugs are only a small part of that. and ive learned, i can train heavier on just low test then on grams of gear. on grams i get too pumped to even go balls to the wall heavy and train mostly for pump and pushing blood into the muscle. which is a nice change of pace and allows versatility in training style. but at the end of it all, diet is the crucial thing that will make or break you... and thats the truth.
RustyhookerYessir, if you run big you gotta keep the foods up for that fast repair. I feel a lil off kilter if I go too big in dose. Not bad/ill just off.
I stayed off everything since july and changed back to volume lifting. Modified my foods and im up at 205 without gear. I start cycle next week to see if I can bulk to 215. Try to look good 195 in light heavies so this whole year is bulkers.
best of luck on stage brother. let us know how you like that test, npp, mast combo youre planning
If they want to jump you can only try so much to talk. Then you just have tell em you'll see them at the bottom.
RustyhookerTruth! They'll always return....
Allow me to clear the decks here.
Rusty has never ran an array like that (its one of mine that has been parroted)
Please DO NOT think about running anything even similar because without proper Advanced knowledge an array like this will leave you in a world of pain (irreversible problems).. believe me.
The Masteron/Proviron combination is for Ai purposes but the dosage quoted in your list is TOTALLY out of ratio for the amount of test being used) (this is what happens when my input gets misconstrued and parroted in a basterdized fashion.)
Tear up and throw any idea of the listed in cycle above in the BIN... for your own health +safety.
JoneDoeSorry I was thinking rusty came up with that idea.
I'm not gone to run this cycle I just came off cycle and I'm no where close to using half that much gear.
I was asking about the mast E because I see a lot of ppl using that now for there AI and not something like Adex. Me my self started using prov last year and love it.
But no not looking to run the cycle I look in to the forms posted by vets all the time to learn I was looking at one you posted some time back where you asked ppl to come up with a cycle for you.
lol yeah... i remember i gave away 1000 karma points for the best cycle.
My protocol for the mast/mest combo looks like this.......
Anything upto a gram of test the combo would be 300 mast/50mest.
2grams of test would be 600/100 ratio, so and so forth as test increases........... hope that helps makes sense to the theory of the protocol
Not for one minute do i advise you or anyone reading to try it, it is an advanced option and geared more towards competition Bodybuilders who do not mind elevated estrogen whilst on a serious bulking session... and then at the other extreme of next to zero or totally crashed estrogen come comp prep time.
Not really suited for the typical gym rat here at eroids...... nor is the cycle array listed either, i wish i had never mentioned or written stuff like that to be honest.
JoneDoeYea I saw that whats crazy is you gave away 1000 karma and your still at 3000 plus lol.
It's making since what your saying I'm sure after reading it a few more times I will get it fully.
You have my word I'm not gone to be running anything like that. Lmao I don't have the money for it. I have been doing BB show off and on still thats way beyond me.
you have your head screwed on right bro....... keep steady and stay healthy
i gave away bunches of points here and there........... if i hadnt i would be real close to 5000 now lmao!.... not bad for a so-called Meathead that wears skimpy trunks for a living hahahahaaa
JoneDoeLol you do the same. Thanks I learned something new today.
If I wasn't over pinning frequently I'd just run .5ml of sustanon daily with eq at 375 twice weekly. That's a little higher than I run nowadays mg wise but not absurd. Nice and simple.
With your commitment to intense training and food intake that would definitely put on the pounds. Being that you've dealt with adversity health wise a simple 2 compound run would be very productive and easy on the system...
With pins everyday .5ml everyday wouldn't be much in terms of oil and on the 2 days you mix eq in there it would equal 2cc's. I use to hate being oil logged! And I don't know about you but eq boosts my hunger as well as providing the stamina to lift endlessly with strength increases always on the rise!
I'm a definite EQ fan. I'm a big eater anyway but on EQ I'm constantly hungry.
The Mrs. calls me the bottomless pit...the food in the refrigerator seems to disappear at a rapid pace!
Lol - I'm known as "the food removal service". If someone doesn't finish their plate, it gets handed to me.
Hahaha awesome!...clean plate crew!
I've never used deca or the amounts of gear you've built up to so I can't comment on much but why not bulk with tren e? I currently am and I'm really impressed by it. Piling on muscle and with relatively high test mass is coming too. Pulse anadrol throughout the whole cycle and let the gains begin.
Can't forget to throw a healthy dose of EQ in there (as I seem to remember you get along with it).
That is definitely another possible path, test/tren/EQ.
I would only consider tren if you have a comp in mind............ whats the point otherwise?
you know were i am coming from dont you.
The other aspect here for me is "enjoyment". I don't enjoy tren cycles personally, they wear me down with time.
RustyhookerInteresting part of forums like this is for bulking the mass monsters always back to the old bulk standards. Decades of use and its the same handful of chems that builds beasts.
It is you are right...... look at anyone on here that knows what they are doing and it goes something like this..............
Testosterone (Cyp,Enan,Sus, Heptalyte .. either dont matter).
Nandrolone. (Long est durabolin is best).
D.H.T (In the form of an Oral).
With the correct balance of calories / macros and the proper training principles applied this would be the Trifecta for Anabolically induced growth....... Classic! always has been Always will be.
That's the deal in my eyes. Still works, always has.
RustyhookerI enjoyed npp in the last run. Gave all day fullness and brought up weakspots quickly. Big foods of course and recovery was a snap.
anapolon- pulsed 3 on 2 off- 100-150mgs a day
test e-1-20- 1500mgs- ew
deca- 1-18- 900mgs- ew
aromasin as needed
caber a needed
bulk- simple-basic and bold, fuck all the other bullshit, aas wise thats the bet way too bulk, fuck shorts, fuck everyday pinning and proviron, my opinion, my style.
im at the end of doing this cycle now, ive chucked on 11kgs, im in week 20.
i did have tren ace in at week 14 for a month.
IfbbmoeWith that kind of size and experience I would say you should be telling us what to take big guy ;)
I think I've done plenty of that over the years.... The point is to get you guys thinking a little rather than churning out the typical cookie cutter cycles I see constantly. Look what irongame came up with, thinking outside of the box.
Don't be shy, post up some ideas
20 week blast, if it aint broke dont fix it, im just changing a few things, usually you keep your doses the same through the entire cycle, my plan is to do something different. start lower and end where you usually start them.
weeks 1-5 dbol 50-75mgs ed either pink thai or blue hearts
weeks 1-10 250mg sust ed then 11-20 350mgs sust ew
weeks 1-10 250mg deca mwf 750mg ew then 11-20 add 150mg npp mwf to bring the nandrolone up to 1200mgs
adding more deca would take way to long to reach peaks levels in your blood but with npp youll be there in 2 weeks tops.
estrogen control and supercharge the cycle
1-20 600mgs mast e
100mgs provi, starting it to early might crash you e2, so do like youve done in the past, if thats starting day 1 go with it, but for me i have to wait 2-3 weeks.
after the dbol kicker and taking 4-5 weeks off orals depending on bloods you can start drol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. you and vike taught me this and it really is fucking awesome. And its the only oral that doesnt effect my appetite.
For alot of people their bodies seem to get used to hormones at a certain dose after a certain peroid of time and gains stall despite dramatic increase in cals which just result in fat gain, others just grow for however long their on for. So by week 10 youll have definitely grown quite a bit, youll be eating more youll have more muscle the last thing we want is the second half to be a waste so thats why we increase the test by another 700mgs an the nandrolone by another 450mgs. This will counter the increased levels of myostatin that the body uses to try and restore homeostasis and stop all the anabolism thats been going on for the last 10 weeks. And prevent the body from getting used to the dose.
if igf-1 is off the table then im assuming gh is off the table correct? This would kinda prevent the use of another drug that would be highly useful at your level of development.
seems more complicated because i wrote so much to explain my reasonings but in reality your just upping dose at the midway point.
Question. what is your reasoning behind
Your front loading the sust, then only doing 350 ew while bumping up the deca to 1200mg?
which means you really meant weeks 1-20 250mg deca mwf 750mg ew ? while the test is only 350?
when you said:
Did you mean weeks 1-20 250mg sust ew then 11-20 150mgs test p ed?
Im may just be reading it wrong?
I would run weeks 1-20 250mg sust eod then weeks 11-20 add 150mg test p ed
Then as for the Deca weeks 1-18 200mg deca mwf 750mg ew then 11-18 add 150mg npp mwf
Good stuff here mate. Wise beyond your years with this one, I like.
THanks bro, hows the headaches? cycle over i hope?
Thankfully yes mate. Switched beta blockers to atenolol and so far things have been a lot better, just hope that continues.
Beta blockers for cluster huh? Im in a rut mine never go away but i can usuallly lessen the severity and frequency but nothings working. Im look into what youre taking and run it by my doctor. Glad you broke the cycle. I imagine it feels really nice.
He is brother..... he does live it i have to give him his dues.
I on the other hand am waiting in anticipation for a PM to see how my chest routine is treating him.... it is Volume personified and should put Pecs on a corpse lmao!
It was to much for the little guys lol, both tore right off the bone. Jk, i fucking love it, never had a pump like that in my chest in my life. total isolation i loved it. In about 30mins im off to do it again. just chowing down a plate of steak and potatoes now.
Got a steak under the grill right now. Must be about 2" thick
Thats all i need to hear................ you got it bro!
I hear you have some puney chest work out lmao jk what is it fill a brother in im always looking for a new one
Its a body-building focused routine bro... youre a powerlifter if i am correct, way to much volume to suit your needs i would think.
30+ sets would be a negative for your sport bro, and the rep count would be more than what you do in a month i should think.