posted Tue, 09/03/2019 - 22:18
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How many mg and just test?
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Hey there!
I have a question about a cycle I'm considering and I need to know if I'm on the right track, or just stupid.
I currently do some sort of pt at work everyday and then train mma for two hours every night. My body has been having trouble keeping up, leading me to have to stop lifting weights, which I previously did 5-6 nights a week.
Would injecting test and taking no other roids help me recover enough to train for 2 hours after work, do pt with work, then lift at the end of the day? I'd like to do it with the smallest dose possible, any idea of a ballpark to start with?
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Do yourself a massive favor and do not cycle. If your body can’t handle it now, it can definitely not handle you moving even more weight when you’re (unknowingly) MUCH stronger on gear.
I’m by no means an expert in the whole HGH world, but, that may be more your speed or something to read up on for recovery. Or maybe just start with SARMS. Happy hunting buddy!
CibaI don't think adding some equipoise at a sensible dose to your test could hurt, great for stamina. If you decide to go that route ofcourse.
-1, why would you recommend adding a second compound to a guy who has never cycled and does not need to cycle? Poor advice.
Alphamale500Agreed!+
Ciba300mg EQ + 250mg test is nothing crazy. Even for a beginner, for an mma fighter you get the benefits from the test + the stamina and rbc from the bold without having to deal with crazy estrogenic side effects. I reckon its much easier to controle than the standard 500mg of test per week bro science beginner cycle.
It's not crazy but it's bad protocol.
The "bro science" beginner cycle is designed to use only one compound -test- to see how you react. You can't do that with multiple compounds; particularly where one requires a longer cycle to see the benefits from.
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CibaProtocol decided by whom? It's decided by experience.
Now keeping that in mind how is bad protocol to use less test and an equal amount of bold (a weaker steroid, making the whole cycle lighter) other than the whole see how you respond to test for the first time thing. The effects on stamina occur within 2 weeks so no need to run a long cycle for that.
It has barely if any and certainly not more side effects than test at an equal dose.
I know from experience he'll benefit more and have less issues with 300+250 bold/test than with 500mg test.
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You've missed the point completely.
CibaNot sure how, but it's fine. I just read TS decided not to go the enhanced route anyway. Which is a smart decision.
Thanks for all the tips guys, I'll just try to rest and eat more carbs.
I was under the impression that roiding would just help me recover, allowing me to train as much as I wanted, but I'm getting the impression that's incorrect.
What's the deal with skill based athletes being on it tho? I assumed it was so they could train all day and recover. Are they on massive doses to get that benefit? Or is it usually just for the strength gains?
RustyhookerYou dont even have training time or proper base. So next question? Its your life, mess it up as you wish. Then youll be back here broken.
Do you mean a proper base as in a base of weightlifting to build from?
I've recently had to cut back majorly, in favour of mma training, but I've got what I think is a decent base, built around deadlifting, squatting, overhead pressing, bench and a few other compounds.
I'm going to keep working on other things everyone mentioned in this thread, although I'm already doing a decent amount of them, I haven't just turned to steroids as an easy way out.
When you say ill mess up my life, is it because if I cycle incorrectly, my natural test production will be shot?
RustyhookerI got 3 boys in military. 2 infantry and 3rd spec ops. They all asked me exactly what youre asking. I told them the real world answer of being light and fast. You get into the shit and gas out carrying extra mass...you die. Id stay at fight weight and bust ass as you are with strength, bjj combat and hit that crossfit. Same rules in jail. You gas out, you lose. Take it how you like but theres old farts like me giving you real talk.
I appreciate it man, please don't take my questioning as not believing you or wanting to listen, I understand you have years more experience, that's why I'm asking questions, lol.
You're definitely right about the cardio aspect with the military tho, I guess I'm just having a hard time watching my muscles slowly shrink and lose the gains I worked hard to get (which would happen if I cycled anyway)
RustyhookerIs there a way you can drink some whey after workout or there a ban on it ? Ait wont allow it but regular duty does. Lil extra protein and complex carbs can help. Eggs, oats, yam, chicken, lean meats.
Also, if your diet doesnt match your out put then a cycle will be lost as soon as youre back to natty. Anyways, take a look at the boxers and fighters in your weight class. Lean shredded and not big really but definitly folks that can beat ass. Thats where fight weight is bro. Good luck on your traini ng
jayiskhow many yrs have you been training with weights?
Approx 12 in total, but about only 9 doing it "properly". I've had breaks in this time due to injury, work related things etc, but the longest break was approx 4 or 5 months.
I'm not trying to rush into using, or just get fast gains, I just feel like my body isn't keeping up as well as I'd like it to.
I've had to cut away most of the weights lately because I'm trying to focus on mma training, but I really want to keep up the lifting
jayiska couple of guys in my gym train and fight MMA and lift. But the ones i know are actually Natty.
i suggest to them if MMA is their main focus then build a weight training program around exercises that will improve and benefit them with their MMA.
if you are not feeling recovered you are either doing too much, need more food/hydration, and proper sleep. plus getting older you will feel it even more.
I'll just keep working at the stuff outside the gym as much as I can I guess then. Technique is far more important than strength, especially since being too big will just move you up a weight category anyway, lol.
Try a pre work out, higher carbs and a cleaner diet.
Have sustained release protein drink before bed.
Supplement some bcaa powder 3 times a day.
Plenty of ideas and options before taking the steroid step for your particular need.
I wouldn’t do anything. You’ll get to much muscle to quick and you won’t be able to pass your PT test because your endurance will go to shit. Plus all the running will cause your calves to get a pump so bad you won’t be able to walk. I speak from experience. ;)
bro I know that doing aas in the military seems like a good idea, and honestly it depends on your job as to whether its a good idea or not.
But I can tell you with much experience that if your a grunt, lugging around extra muscle on an already over stressed frame i.e. from body armor and a ruck sack full of gear. Bro its a bad idea you don't need that extra weight dude " ounces make pounds" .
Just do body weight exercises and run run run, If your gonna build anything build your legs at least that would be useful.
Alphamale500You certainly made some very good points here! +
Another way I was looking at using gear while in the military are the changes in your hormones, brain chemistry etc. That could very well totally change your attitude, thinking and your normal disposition. High estrogen/testosterone levels or "roid rage" etc., can cause you to act differently and make different decisions than you normally would, and can possibly end up costing lives!
I'm sure that all of us who use gear can recall many times when we may have acted erratically, plain crazy or just acting in a way that was just not normal or stable! I know there have been many times when I was acting just plain fuckn crazy, Lol! I can just imagine that aggressive roid rage type feeling when you're actually in a life or death situation, and every decision or move you make can cost you your life or your fellow troops lives. Or it can be on the other end of the spectrum as well, like if your estrogen levels are too high and the changes that can cause to your thinking. Your thinking needs to be spot on and reliable all the time, every time and in every situation.
This reminds me of the stories I've heard of guys in Vietnam using all kinds of drugs. But what really shocked me was reading about them using LSD and other psychedelics while "in the shit" as they say! I just don't think that would be the best time to drop acid! That's just fuckn crazy, Lol!!
This is just my opinion, but I don't think that AAS or mind altering substances of any kind have any place in the military. I totally support and salute all the men and women who have fought for this country no matter what they may have done during their time in the military!!
Yep, idea soldier is a skinny dude with lots of endurance. No one wants to carry the 6’4 240lb dude plus his full kit, because he’s the dude that goes down in every training scenario ever lol
But if you’ve got a nice pog job, bulk the fuck up! Lol
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Sounds like you need a break. You are young. Your natural test levels should still be good. Have you had blood work. Could be an underlying condition.
The smallest dose possible will still cause possible damage to what test you have. Maybe a change in diet and a break.
RustyhookerIn the military? Not a good idea
Yeah, he I've never taken any.
I've been around lifting "community's" and competitive jiu jitsu/mms for a while, so although I've been natural my whole life, I've had an interest in steroids. Since I've been natural, I've been reluctant to those involved and I felt I'd rather come here.
Joining the military brought a new perspective to my training, since I could no longer rest when I felt I.needed it, however I finished that part of training, stayed natural and do different pt now
jayiskthis was your last fourm topic in Dec. So again you are asking about steroids?? first for the army no MMA/lifting recover.., so you have never taken steroids?
"Does anybody know how often people are tested for steroids in the Australian Army?
I heard traditionally, not very often, however I am currently in IET's as a trainee, so the staff keep a much closer eye on us for this sort of thing as well as it's a lot easier to get rid of us, since the army hasn't invested too much in us at this point. I know they're cracking down on drugs in general, although I am unsure if this includes steroids"
I can tell you this, if you’re special forces (at least the one my buddy is in) they do not give a lick of a fuck. A lot of the dudes are on in his unit.
jayiskthey should be allowed to take gear if they want to. Their job is life or death and needs to be performed at optimal levels all the time.
Agreed. I think that’s why they only test them for narcotics. Those high level guys are doing some serious shit. I’d sure hope they were on shit, especially if they have to go hand to hand.
They have team doctors that monitor literally everything they ingest, every supplement, medicine, etc and have constant medical support. And you better believe they get whatever legal medicines will keep their million dollar investments running 110%. But that’s the CAG, DevGru, and TFO guys. The normal military just turns a blind eye to anyone using AAS as long as it’s not effecting the unit or soldier’s health. I’ve never heard of anyone getting tested, let alone prosecuted for using it. Heard of a few busted and court martialed for selling though.
I’d certainly believe that. But yea I never heard of anyone getting any shit for using.
My priority number one is to keep the mma training up and number 2 is to keep the lifting up.
I have never cycled before, so I'm a complete noob, hence me asking dumb questions (I'm sorry!) But I was just hoping that roids would help me train 5× per week, do my work pt and still physically be capable to lift weights to a decent standard that night.
Yes the GEAR would give you better recovery possibly allowing you to do some lifting, but it wouldn't be a miracle. You need to balance it out and get your priorities in order.
It's only been recently that I've gotten back into mma training (I had approx 1 1/2 years away with work doing training), I used to train, but I've been doing this training about 2 months.
I definitely get enough in my diet, I eat pretty clean and have a high amount of protein, carbs and micronutrients.
I definitely feel like I'm overtraining, which is why I'm looking here for help. I'm reluctant to cut back on my mma training, so I've dropped the majority of my weights and I'm feeling much smaller and weaker as a result.
When I train, I'm definitely not the go hard guy. I'm assuming you've done some sort of jiu jitsu etc.from that comment so you should understand this hopefully, I'm a "flow grappler", I don't muscle my techniques when I roll.
I get where you're coming from regarding ironing everything out before coming across to the dark side, I just feel like I've gotten it pretty good already and it's still not enough
Ur deffinately over training. Like some others said also, get some bloods to make sure theres no underlying problem. Otherwise ur natty self shld be sufficient to handle this abuse. Yes I do bjj (2-3 wk), weight lift (3+ wk), work is insanely physical (50+hrs), and have 4 kiddos at the house. I get exhausted and rotate training. I'm willing to bet that ur body hasn't acclimated to the mma training abuse yet, being only 2months back in. Take some time off and hit it hard again. Weight training is gonna fatigue ur muscles, but its gonna also help. I'd keep a 50/50 split btw the too. A cycle might help u recover faster but u cant stay on cycle forever. And with a busy schedule like urs, it's hard to commit to a cycle schedule.. If u do go cycle, u might want to focus on weightlifting more than mma. Just my opinion. Good luck brother, I think u know what ur gonna do and what u need to do better than me. Lol. Keep up ur hard work.
How long have uve been training like this and what's ur bf? Recovery starts with diet and rest always. Ur still young so sounds like ur over training and not feeding urself correctly. If this is a new lifestyle ur body is still conditioning itself to this daily abuse. Try alternating weights and mma. Also work on techniques vs power. U dont have to be the go hard guy.. Train 5 days (or less) a wk for now and get ATLEAST 8hrs of sleep each night. Carb up prior to training and understand the importance of a good fuel diet. Using gear I imo is not an option u want at this point. Iron out ur schedule, diet, conditioning, and recovery before exploring the dark side brother..
I understand why you're asking for stats, so all cool
I've been "lifting" for about 12 years, but I've been doing what I consider proper lifting for about 9 (as in, a proper routine, not just doing random weights machines etc.)
I'm 29, 94kg, approx 5 feet, 6 inches and I'm unsure about body fat, but it's nothing huge.
My weightlifting history is that like many people, I started out doing dumb shit, then got a decent routine down pact, doing mainly deadlifting, squat, flat + incline bench, overhead press, chin ups, reverse pec fly, pec fly, then some "anxillaries" where I can (bicep curls etc).
My goals atm are to improve in my striking and grappling, however I still want to keep my size and strength gains up, or even better, improve them. I just keep straining muscles from overtraining, so I have had to give up lifting, for technical training, which I hate.
I don't count my macros, but I ensure I eat healthily in general, with very little alcohol and I have a high level of protein through meat (mainly ground beef) enough carbs through toast or rice and a decent amount of micronutrients, through fruit and veg, not pills.
I do my best to get 7-8 hours of sleep, but work can make that hard
I'm not looking for a cutting steroid, all I want is to be able to do my work mandated physical session, train for 2 hours later that night doing grappling and striking, then lift weights.
Luckily at the moment, I don't "work out" for 2 hours a night
The 2 hours consists of two classes, one striking and one grappling. Half of those classes is technique and the other half is sparring.
Basically, what I'm looking to do, is my work mandated pt, my 2 hours of mma (approx half technique, half sparring) then to be able to do my strength routine after and get improvement, instead of strained muscles
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PallMallSo you’re trying to do PT daily, 2 hours of skill training and strength training all 5 days a week?
That’s a lot...
I work a physical construction job which has me walking 6-10 miles a day and lifting 250+ lb objects routinely and I only lift weights for about 45 minutes to an hour 4-5 days a week. I eat upwards of 4500 calories and sleep 6-7 hours plus take steroids and my muscles are always sore..
You may be expecting miracles that are impossible.
It's normal for your body to have problems. You're saying you work out two hours a day every night! It's counterproductive.
Regardless of the gears you want to use, remember that hypertrophy develops after a proper diet and especially during the hours of rest.
Training techniques are just to avoid getting the muscle used to monotony. The variation of movements is always useful but remember that rest is a factor not to be underestimated.
I train three times a week and I feel destroyed. Sometimes I decrease the volume and increase the repetitions by adding another day a week. I've never gone further because I can't physically resist or my level may be unprofessional.
There is a scientific explanation that you can find on google, you don't need to ask for your identity card as someone is already doing. You can get there on your own if your goal is muscle growth.
For the gears it depends on what you want to get or if you want to cut.
You need to be more detailed in the forum.
PallMallSteroids are for growth of muscle and to prevent catabolism. There’s no such thing as a “cutting” steroid, only compounds that retain less water.
The focus of my comment was quite different.
Thanks for the details, next time I'll be more precise.
Rest is an important factor whether your on gear or not.
What’s your goals???? How’s your eating?? What’s training program e you gone to be doing??
PallMallWhat are your stats?
Age
Weight
Height
Body fat
That’s where you start in asking for help..
What’s your weightlifting history also..?