posted Sat, 05/16/2015 - 06:05
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How low is to low
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I see a lot of sites running their TestProp/Tren ace mix ratio Tren ace heavy handed. I am curious to everyone's thought on this. I know Tren and Test are fighting for receptors, and Tren will more likely win out, and taking to much test will end up causing free test/estrogen sides. I am currently getting ready to switch from Tren E/Test E to Test prop/Tren Ace to taper and finish my last 6 weeks of this cycle. What are your thoughts for ratios.
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RustyhookerActually you DO want free test. Read and research more on free test, bound test, and SBH.
6 ft tall and 210 @ 14% per stats.
You have a goal? 210 at 6ft can be done with no gear at all and now you're on 2nd tren run.
thanks. 7% bf right now, @210, 6ft tall. My body naturally has a hard time putting weight on, so 180lbs was the max naturally I was reaching for the longest time. I have researched free test, bound test and SBH, lots of research. The way I see it, higher tren vs lower test is ideal for cutting, example: 150mgTren/50mg (1/3rd ratio mix)Test seems to be my sweet spot. I will continue to research and have blood work done to see how my body is reacting.
Bro if I was 6ft 210 @7%bf natural I wouldnt bother touching any aas. At those stats you're not huge but bigger then the average man and rippes, if thats truly your bf% you are already shredded, vascular and showing striations. No need for tren. Get in touch with some of the diet gurus on here and theyll put some more lbm on you in no time if thats what you are after.
RustyhookerAt 7% I fail to see why you'd cut. Unless you're competing you should be trying to re figure foods to get you thicker. 7% is damn hardcore.
That's why I asked for goals. Cutting drugs to CUT ne gates the idea of hardgainer.
well when you put it that way..... lol.. I know what your saying, but no matter how much protein, carbs, and food in general, I wake up the same bf%. I have managed to put 10lbs of lean mass and will continue to thicken up, I can't control my bf% when I am eating everything plus some. I have night sweats, pretty common side to tren, so 7% isn't what I am trying to achieve, not competing, at least for now. So your probably thinking I shouldn't take Tren, and dually noted, but summer is almost among us, and Tren doesn't make my back break out, no sore nipples, and overall my mood is so positive on Tren. Running caber, and extreme.... With that said, do you have any advice on the original post question, test prop to tren ace ratio? Any feedback would be nice, thanks broski.
RustyhookerRatio is going to be body to body since we're all different. Tren a doesn't have a weekly value as you know. Everyone's sweet spot will differ.
Test prop I ran as low as 30 mg ed and was fine. I still think you're wasting your efforts but to each their own.
10 4, I've been logging a journal, at the end of this cycle, im going to post a detailed log to my experience with higher tren to lower test, also will be posting multiple blood works. Thank you sir for the advice!
RustyhookerIf you break out because estro then for adding mass without tren bs, take a look into eq and masteron with low test. Dry with very lil estro. Solid lean gains
Thanks Rusty. Plus it would be a long steady cycle.
x2 that.
it depends what your goal is, ive done it both ways, tren higher and test higher, if your bulking test higher is better, either way the bare minimum required is s much as it takes for normal function, 300 mgs of test would be as low as id go.
thanks, yea I don't think I would reach 100mgs a week with the new formulas that are out.
IMO one of the biggest problems people run into whilst running low test is the quality pf the test. Someone may intend to be running 250mg/wk of test, which would put someone well over the top range if it is GOOD tesy,however they may be using some underdosed garbage and they are in fact shutting themselves down for a lower test level than they may have naturally which can make you feel way out of whack when other compounds are involved.
That being said, aside from bloodwork, knowing your body and signs of low testosterone is the only way to figure out "how low is too low?"
ty sir.
Ask yourself: "Why do I even run test together with Tren?" and you will basically answer your own question...
please elaborate, because I think I agree.
Well, let me answer your question: "How low is too low?"
Can't speak in numbers, cause everybody reacts differently, but too low would be when you get your typical low testosterone symptoms. Google em up...
thanks
Tronstats, age, cycle history, lifting experience, first or you won't get much response my friend.
(I know age and stats are in your profile but post here along with rest of info)
Yezzir, I know what you mean , tough to tell with vague stats on member profile. Stats: 210lbs, 7% bf, as of this morning, started cycle @12%bf. This is my 2nd Tren cycle, I ran Tren e at the same time last year for 10 weeks, low dose. I have ran test cyp cycles alone @500mg a week, not a fan of orals, I do have var and winny on hand in case I get froggy my last 4 weeks. Am currently running [email protected] eod & caber .5 as needed(usually every 3-4th day, although Tren doesn't give me nasty sides, I ran Deca for the first time this winter @500mg a week with 500mg Test E a week for 12 weeks, and my nipples were f'ing sore quick into cycle, which was a first, and was expecting the possibility of estro/prolactin sides, being a 19nor, so extreme. cleared it up @12.5 eod. Lifting experience is 10+ years. Very knowledgeable in the gym and kitchen.