posted Sun, 06/15/2014 - 10:07
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+ 1 Fucking feel horrible help me
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THis is my cycle:
Sustanon 250 1ml mwf
npp 100 1ml mwf
Proviron 50mg Ed
Aromisen 12.5 ed
I was gonna lower sus to 1/2 ml mwf the 2nd week but anyway I'm 1 week in and I feel like shit pretty sure I bottomed my estro and the npp kicked in before test did? Idk I feel rough. Never had this problem before I've ran 6 cycles before this one. I've had numerous blood tests but I'm unable to get one this instant. I convert test into estro very easy and quick so I started aro and proviron the first day I stopped two days ago bc of these sides. I'm very weak dizzy tired no appetite all fucked up. It's not test flu I've had it twice before. Just lookin for some feedback see if anyone has had anything similar happen. Appreciate any input thanks
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Bro this happened to me! I dropped the NPP and I feel way better... Tight chest/pain, sweats, high BP, Fast hear rate, it was fuckign scary. I also had extreme anxiety... Like paranoia anxiety..
Hope you got it sorted bro
I loaded up on Vit C and took some more vitamins and dude, within 2 days I was back and feeling better than ever...
I can say that in the gym, I noticed my strength dropped a little as well.
But im still here to talk with everyone, so im happy as hell.
swoller87Yea right after this happened I got to feeling better and then bam I got a fucking cold....it's been a fucked up cycle pissed about it but what can u do?
I feel ya bro, are you stopping the cycle? or are you just cutting out the NPP?
I'm finally now a week off the NPP and think I recovered fully. It was one fucked up rollercoaster.
Was your heart racing at all?
I'm a coffee/ pre-workout fiend but during this time I got sick thinking about any stimulant...
Todays my first cup in over a week, I still cant believe it hit me that fast, withing 2 days!
swoller87No I changed compounds and continued the cycle. What else were u taking besides npp?
I started with 450mg Sustanon + 300mg NPP per week.
I'm now at 450mg Sustanon + 0.5 Adex MWF
swoller87I would just throw in npp about 6 to 8 weeks in so u know test is workin and fully kicked in. I'm still gonna use it just on the end of my cycle instead of the beginning. I'm running sus mast p and anadrol then gonna run npp sus and var on the end.
Make sure you got an idea of someone's prior use and exp before suggesting things.
swoller87I understand that but we are all grown men here or should be I really don't have time to answer extensive questions at work and stay pretty busy but I do agree with u 100%
I was thinking about it but since this is my first proper cycle ( few terrible experiences in the past) I'm gonna give a Test only cycle a shot. I'm saving the NPP for another time when I have more experience under my belt.
My diet and training have been on point for the first time in years as I was always eating shitty. I'm gonna listen to the peers and do what they recommended. I've lost 3% BF and this is barely week 2. Sounds crazy, but I confirmed with both of those bf tests(Handheld w/ plates & the pinch). Maybe I was lower in BF to begin with... IDK
I have test prop and NPP for another day, maybe next year after I've recovered after this one.
Hopefully you get back up to par bro!
cheers
swoller87Good man
Perfect reply. Gear isn't everything.
made a mistake running NPP so early. Im not a stickler for designing a cycle and sticking to it like most people are. I simply adjust if i need to.
If this where me i would drop the NPP right now till week 4. cut the aromasin to 6.25/EOD and increase as needed as the rest of the sust kicks in. Increase water intake, multivitamins and vitamin C to 1000 twice daily.
I wouldnt just stop aromasin, you might get some estro rebound
swoller87I agree with the aro but I'm gonna take a break from it for about three days.
swoller87Hate myself for doing this I'm way smarter than this, I'm not exactly a rookie either( i know, we can always learn something new, this is constantly evolving and not one person can say it all or do it all) but I appreciate all the input.
RustyhookerRelax. You just got excited to cycle. We've all been there.
How true is this lol the last few months couldn't of went slower
RustyhookerI took 6mo off cycle. Tren with peptide pct was horrible. Hit 196 this mornings weigh in so I'm slowly getting it
Awesome keep it up. Any jealous fools giving u dirty looks yet at the gym lol
RustyhookerNaa. I keep head down and just do it. Lol
I had the same thing happen to me on my test e npp cycle this spring. I thought forsure it was directly related to one or the drugs. But the whole time I had this nasty cough that just wouldn't go away but I didn't feel like I was sick like virus sick. No appetite, could barely eat 2000 cAls, can't remember exactly all my symptoms but if you go to my posts, check the one "deca killing my appetite" well if turned out I actually was sick, had whopping cough. But like I said I didn't feel like I had a normal virus or bacteria related sickness. But i did, so just take that into consideration. Might not be the case, just something to think about.
swoller87O yea I have, but no one around me is sick and I felt great until I started this cycle usually it's the other way around...but I have no cough not sick like that. But I did consider this
RustyhookerAromasin from day 1?
swoller87I also convert test into estrogen easy the 50 /40/10 ratio is dead on with me.
RustyhookerRead below. I think common sence slipped on you.
swoller87I think your right...I got a lot going on in my life right now so bad time to start cycle anyway too much on my mind. I'm just gonna stop everything taper off with a lil prop until hcg gets here.
RustyhookerSecond week in and crashed estro. I'd just pct in 3 Weeks. No real need for hcg in 2 Weeks.
When your fully prepped try looking at test/mast e. Food bulks or cuts so keep dry, eat and grow. If you go mast/provi try 600test/300 mast e and provi. You're damn close to 200 and thick according to stats. Modify foods for goals. Big complex carbs will bulk ya
swoller87Thanks bro appreciate the advice. Mast is my favorite compound got plenty of it but it's mast p.
swoller87Yea I was thinking " sus has prop I should go ahead and start ai" bad idea. I should have waited I run so many prop cycles idk bad start to this cycle...
RustyhookerGues you forgot to read the label where it says prop is 30Mg?? So you got prop at 30 on m-w-f....crash...m-w-f....etc. 30mgs prop is a girls dose. Drop that aro.
Also, it says you're gyno prone? So why you running test up 750? Why arent you running either a dry stack or wheres your mast e?
Whats your priors? Stats? Goals?
swoller87I dropped the aromisen fri. Well I've always ran mast, sus, prop, var, winn, dbol, drol, superdrol. I don't like tren don't do well with it. I'm pretty sure my body doesn't like 19-nors. I'm 5'6 190 26years I stay about 196 198 on cycle. Trying to get to the 200 mark while I'm off cycle so I figured I'd try npp. But I'm positive I've bottomed my estro and npp has kicked in before test.
RustyhookerYou really just answered your questions. Sust wont really boom til like week 3? Npp kicks bout second week. Your saying your body might not agree with nors but even if npp works with you, you've got a fast acting npp with slightly fast acting sust.. Shoulda held off that npp IMO til week 4. But in any account, if gyno hits you hard then why not stick to drier cycles?? Make it simpler that matches your bodies "likes" and less stress.
swoller87Lesson learned. Yea I'll be sticking to what works just wanted to try something new. And if you'll read up top I was gonna drop test down to 375 for the rest of the cycle. I was doing a pre load if u will I know that's not perfect protocol but 750 is alot for me.
RustyhookerI don't think its necessarily a bad research you did. Just timing. To beat ED with nors test runs higher (except tren) so look at npp when its booming. But staying simple til estro is easily controlled there's just so many simple options.
swoller87I see..so your saying just run test until it kicks and you've balanced out estro and then start adding in additional compounds?
RustyhookerMatching Esters. Im not deca/npp cycler so just looking at ester. Npp typically matched with prop for prop/npp cycle or test e(etc) with deca so they ramp up together. Adding in npp later so tests in sustanon are up to avoid deca Dick.
Estro crashed with good aromasin leaving you feeling crappy. Only a weekish into cycle so flu, test flu, infection or crashed estro.
Crashed estro....dry lips, dry skin, creaky, bleh feeling. I get knees, wrists, etc popping all the time. Stand up and pop. Move and pop. Plus feeling bleh
swoller87I usually am very picky about matching esters but idk what I was thinking just rushed it. Definitely crashed my estro I pop every time I move and I feel like death on a leash. Sex drive is shit which is a combo of npp and crashed estro just feel fucking horrible.
U are all over this prolly estrogen crash. What I thought to but easier for him to get bloods to see what is up
RustyhookerBlood test is king! But good aro and just finished first week and feels like crap. Flu, test flu, infection or crashed estro. Crashing estro for comps sucks. Dry, creaky, no energy and feel crappy. It definitly is no fun.
swoller87Fuck crashing your estro for a competition j don't know how u guys put yourself through it. You must really love it. Which i do to. I thought about competing but I still have much to learn and many gains to make.
RustyhookerIve gotta bring up weak parts and dial diet better before thinking stage. Hoping for next April. Gotta stay focused. I carry my fat on my belly so its going to be a lot of stairs in my future. :(
swoller87That stair masters a bitch but I love her. Seems to be bringing my calves up faster. I think we all carry fat in Our belly mines mainly in my love handles.
RustyhookerTren and stairs was immediate pump to immobile. Lol! On eq now and life is good.
swoller87O yea ran proviron in my previous cycle.
Sus 600 week
Mast p 400 week
Proviron 50mg Ed
Best cycle yet
Edit rusty got this covered
Damn hope you figure it out. Do you have any prop? Maybe a 100 piece of test prop to your butt might help by bringing test level up in case sust just isn't in full swing yet. Might help your estrogen levels too and a 100mg shot of test prop is relatively safe no matter what your cycle.
Just an idea, I am only on my first cycle and have not experienced your issue.
Good luck bro hope you pull through quick!
swoller87I don't have any prop it should have already been hear and I just sold a 35ml jug of it so... waitin on the prop I had the same idea though.
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