posted Wed, 06/08/2016 - 16:49
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First test e cycle
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Hello I am 26 yr old, 5'6 16% bf and been lifting for a solid 3 years and have decided to take a big step and hit the test e, I hear is good for a beginner being to see how your body reacts to it so here's my cycle feel free to criticize and what not idgaf I'm here to learn!!! 1-10: Test E 500mg/wk.
4-12: Anavar 40/50/60/60 (yes I might run anavar)
12-16: Nolvadex 40/40/30/20
1-16: armidex .5mg/eod adjusted as needed
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Stop digging up forums and fishing for answers. Create your own thread.
What a shit show in here.
Anon12 weeks of test e @ 500mg split into two doses.. Mon and thur
Keep Nolvadex on hand for the chance of tenderness or itchy nips... Also keep the aromasin on hand but there is no need to start taking it unless you see signs of high estro... Some will start it about mid cycle to keep estro down, me personally I don't use it unless it is needed
2 weeks after your last dose of test start your standard Nolvadex/clomid PCT
That is my opinion of a good starter cycle and they will vary according to ones opinion
Ok so I found some aromasin, doing some research on it how much should I take being this is my first cycle, I just want to have it on hand. I hear it's a suicidal ai, I just want to know how much to run??
I don't personally need an ai, I found that it makes my e2 crash and I start picking up niggles easily here and there in training when I do take one.
Blood work will show what you need and how much like The Impastable said.
Aromasin' effects last long after its half life, as you said, it's a suicide ai, estrogen doesn't rebound!
So it can be dosed E3D, I know some that dose it once a week at a very small dose, any more than that and libido drops and they start crashing.
Again, blood work will help.
But if you're going 250mg test a week (split twice a week - 125mg say Monday/Thursday), then typically you won't need aromasin.
This will have his blood levels all over the place. If he needs an extremely small dose to control his estrogen, say 25mg E3D, he's better off splitting that dose into ED amounts of 8.33mg.
He's going to be running 500mg per week though. I'd agree that he may not need it at these lower dosages, but I know some guys who are on TRT dosages of the higher end 150-200mg and they require aromasin even on the small scale. It's truly amazing how much variation you will get with 10 guys in the room all on the same thing.
You and I have had this discussion before and I'm one of the guys that doses aromasin "as needed". It works well for me, while the next guy it might have them all fucked up.
Yes. I don't think either Rawpower or myself were telling the guy to run it, but merely how to run it if the need arises. I myself am just like you and only dose it as needed if estrogen climbs too high for my liking, as per Bloodwork. If it's high and within an acceptable range, I leave it be. But I completely agree with you, my dosage may work for me, but it could completely tank you or not be enough. That's the beauty of it all in my opinion.
I disagree buddy, although the half life may be a few days, the effects of aromasin last a long ass time as your body takes awhile to re-create aromatase enzymes.
This of course depends on the person though. Some need an ai, others don't.
I agree there, variation in replies will differ from different experiences, but like you've said, blood work is the only way to know what will work for the OP.
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with? I'm simply advocating for the most efficient way to maintain stable blood levels. The half life of aromasin is too short to be dosing it E3D or once per week. It will cause huge fluctuations in blood levels. I don't believe you understand how half lives work and how to create stability.
Graph out dosing 25mg E3D, 50mg once per week, and 8.33mg ED using the half life and then tell me which one is optimal.
I'm not sure you understand how aromasin works, because you're spouting bro logic and half lives still!
Aromasin's effects... Last a long time after its half life. You're acting as if there's a rebound like taking Nolva!
25mg is a high dose taken all at once!
The guys that may need once a week dosing will not be taking 50mg or even 25mg! So where did you get that number? You're assuming, and you should never assume.
You do not need aromasin every day.
I understand aromasin's effects last a long time after its half life. I'm not concerned with rebound (since there is none) I'm concerned with stable blood levels.
25mg is not a high dose. Usually 12.5mg is the starting dosage recommended on an EOD schedule, and then brought up to an ED schedule or can be increased to 25mg. We're arguing semantics.
My numbers were hypotheticals meant to illustrate a point about blood stability over the course of a time period which you're not understanding. Half lives are important. The same can be said of testosterone, since it's effects are felt even past the half life, but there's a reason we have certain dosage protocols regarding the use. There's a reason we don't pin once every two weeks for the enanthate ester.
I'm not assuming anything related to the OP. You're discussing protocol which may lead to unstable blood levels and poor estrogen control.
You cannot compare aromasin dosing to testosterone dosing.
You need stable blood levels of test to work with less side effects.
Aromasin you can actually take far less and still have stable oestrogen.
So that comparison is pointless.
I'm discussing a protocol that may benefit the OP away from the usual bro logic yes. Because he may benefit from it... No one knows unless he gets BLOOD WORK.
Which I've said many times now, I'm not stating a dose or dosing schedule that's set in stone like yourself.
All the stated schduels work differently person to person, the OP needs to find out which one may work for him, AND... If he even needs an ai!
This is not TRT! This bodybuilding/powerlifting/strongman or whatever he's using the gear for!
So personally I wouldn't take an ai at all.
How about we just wait until OP gets Bloodwork done and then come back around to it.
Agreed!
I'm just throwing out options OP. You need to find out what works for you!
You can start at 12.5mg EOD, but EOD dosing is the absolute max you should go to. Do not go to E3D as Aromasin has a short half life. You may also want to split the dosage twice a day at 6.25 for more stability. You're going to have to get a feel for what works for you via Bloodwork. Some people here need 25mg ED or more, some can do 6.25mg EOD and be fine.
Good luck on your endeavors!
250mg a week of test enth will do perfectly!
No var, prob won't need an ai on that or Nolva, but keep them both on hand incase.
I train a few guys and I always start them around 200-250mg a week of some kind of test when go on. They all respond very well!
Hey thanks a lot bro!
So you train guys by recommending they completely shut down their natural production, and then replace it barely any higher with such a small dose? The fuck is the point of cycling then?
As waterhead235 said - 250mg of properly dosed testosterone would be enough.
I think it's plenty for a first cycle and I've seen first hand that it is plenty.
Food is the biggest anabolic, if you can't grow off of 250mg of properly dosed test for your first cycle, then you aren't eating or sleeping enough!
No bro.
250 mg is too low and is short changing the athlete. 12 weeks at 500 mg is not only a standard starter on this board, but standard in general.
We all have our opinions.
Start slow and build. 250mg is plenty for a first cycle. If you can't grow on that then eat more food and sleep more.
Growing muscle and strength is about food more so than drugs.
I find it funny the way most top end pro's in most sports use a lot less than what your usual internet bro preaches.
Really? Dang bro, I didn't know that. Pro bodybuilding is just a mystery to me. LOL
250mg of accurately dosed test is a cycle for most people.
The gains made on a first cycle never get repeated for most. 250 mg may indeed be a cycle bro, but IMHO it leaves too many cards on the table. A typical higher dose of a single Test ester yields more without adding a significant dimension of risk.
I don't disagree that the standard 500mg cycle can yield more results. What I would argue is the risk. 250mg should put a guy at 2-3 times normal test levels while barely increasing the chances of negative side effects such as elevated estrogen and dht. Jumping to 500mg will often increase estrogen and dht to the point that another drug has to be added to the cycle to control these negative side effects.
Bro, that's just not my experience at 500 mg. I don't see estradiol climbing and the need for an AI is questionable at best. The dht produced at that dose also is not likely to make one shed hair either. IMHO
Ok so my source is currently out of armidex will it be possible to use nolvadex as an ai, during cycle to prevent Gyno?
Get arimidex from another source. Or aromasin.
Got it thanks
Why not run it for 12 weeks? Also need to add in Clomid 100/100/50/50 with the Nolvadex for Pct.
Save the var. No need. Your body will explode with growth on test only for at least the 1st 3 cycles. Trust me. Don't go adding anything until your body stops growing on test alone.
So without the anavar how does this cycle look?
AnonYou need to be running Test by itself for a first cycle
Nothing else
So without the anavar does this cycle seem good for a beginner thanks for the feedback.!