+ 4 First Test E Cycle
Hey guys! First off.. I want to say thanks to all of the help on these forums. I've researched and read a ton on these forums and its been very helpful! I have also went other places to do some research and I think I'm finally ready to start. I do just have a few questions because of conflicting or differing opinions on AIs and PCT.
A bit about me. I'm 26 years old, 5'9", 204 lbs, 14% BF. very active and I'm in the gym 6-7 times per week. My goal is to add on lean mass. I feel like I've got my diet dialed in and I'm beginning to see the results I want.
Here is my starting point:
Weeks 1-12: 500mg Test E Every week; Split to two injections (mon/thurs)
Weeks 1-12: AI- 0.5 mg Arimidex eod (will adjust according to body; this seems like a universal start point)
Weeks 14-16: 40mg Nolvadex ed; 100mg Clomid ed
Weeks 16-18 20 mg Nolvadex ed; 50mg Clomid ed
From What I've read, this seems like a solid starting point, although I've seen differing opinions. For just a Test-E Cycle, is Nolva and Clomid necessary? Most people who are on both seem to be doing a bit more than just test E. I'm going to have both on hand, just to be safe, but just wanted the opinion of others based around my specific needs.
Also, HCG. I've read some things and a lot of people are pointing towards this being a MUST now a days. Again, their cycles seem to be differing from my simple, TEST E only cycle. Is this necessary? If I were to add this it would look like:
Week 4-12: 500iu's HCG per week. Split into two injections.
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Wish i could +1 you as well, thanks for the post
I was going to post up the exact same cycle routine but no need to as all the info is here! I've been researching for a good few weeks now and arrived at same conclusions for first cycle as you have Carlo.
Let us know how you get on bud as I dont think il be starting mine for a few weeks so very interested to hear how you are getting on!
As long as you've done your research, the guys here have been great help! Tomorrow starts my week 3 and all has been great. I'm going to get bloods between week 5-6 to see what kind of dosing I'll need for my AI.
I know most people say they don't stsrt to see effects for 3-4 weeks.. Well this week my strength has gone through the roof and I'm consistantly gaining. I'm very happy with my results so far..
Other than my appetite is OUT OF CONTROL. Haha
Only suggestion I have to your cycle is about your AI, good advice I was given on my first cycle was to use this sites search, and search up and research high and low estro symptoms.
0.5mg eod Right from day one could always crash your Estrogen Levels. You don't want that.
So take the time to look into this, seems like you will!
Also sorry your thread is getting Highjacked.
Thanks! I decided on Aromasin vs Arimidex and I won't be starting it until week 4-6 pending any gyno symptoms.
that's some awesome news to hear good job man keep it up
Hardgainer92Hey new member here Stats 5'10 150 lbs be 23 ive bin doing lots of research and ordered some gear
(4) 10ml 250mg Test Cyp
(100) 20mg Nolvadex
I have bin told a cycle to run from a friend that has bin running cycles for awhile now but 10 wks of test only 500mg ill be doing 250mg monday 250mg thursday if i start feeling sides like puffy nips start taking the nolvadex 10mg a day till sides go away PCT 10 days after last pin 60mg nolvadex first day then 40mg for 10 days then 20mg for 10 days.
Im gonna gain some weight looking to gain 10 lbs so start at 160 lbs with a right diet and workouts will this be a good cycle?
Stop fucking Hijacking everyone's thread.
P.S. Enjoy the hammer.
Hardgainer92Dont understand this comment-----^
Just read this thread. Theres all the info you need about a Test only first cycle! The guys here have been of great help, but don't come in here like that..
And don't hijack my own thread. Do research. In fact, none is even necessary, it's ALL HERE
Your cycle is shit bud and your pct is missing the main component. Do you know what FSH and LH are acronyms for? And how nolva will do little to nothing for your recovery?
Maybe avoid cycling until you figure this stuff out.
Hardgainer92Thanks for the help but how is it shit? its A TEST ONLY CYCLE and nolvadex is the only thing i need for a one compond cycle not stacking anything so no point to use clomid and nolva and can use nolva as an AI so ive read..
Read some more and you'll understand. Clearly you don't have an answer about LH and FSH. And how those very key hormones play into your HPTA. Roll the dice if you want but I would really want to know every angle of how this works before I dive in. I'm not going to spoon feed it to you.
Hardgainer92And since clearly im not getting enough info on here were would you suggest that i get good solid research just asking for guidance maybe im on the wrong site to be asking or wrong ppl?..
Hardgainer92I understand and ive bin reading and not just going to hop right on it as soon as i get it gonna prepair for a cycle and just want helpful tips and answers not just get bashed on im new didnt say ima vet and know everything about steroids..
Do you have a lot to read in your bin?
Why can't so many of you young 'uns spell anymore?
Because they take their education about as seriously as they take their cycles...
I'm not bashing you. I haven't said anything about you. I told you to do some more research and you came back to tell me that what you had was fine because: reasons.
I'm just giving you some hints of things to research. Go learn what LH and FSH do, learn what your HPTA is, and then research what nolva will do for any of that
Just wanted to give a quick update and thank you to all of you guys who have taken the time to give me advice and help me out!
I did get my order in last week and I'm hoping I could start this in the coming days. I've got my hands on everything I need at once so I'm hoping I don't run into any issues. I've got my Test E, Aromasin, Nolvadex and Clomid. I will also be continuing my usual supplementation of multi, fish oil, pre-workout, creatine, BCAAs, along with a balanced diet.
AnonLike what I see in here
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Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. In the process of getting my order together!
Just when I thought nobody could put a sensible cycle plan together anymore. Well done, with the comments made by the boys below you're in good shape. Go for it, grow well, +2
You know.. I'm just trying to not be a statistic. haha Thanks Catalyst! Appreciate it!
+1 for doing your homework first bro. That's a rarity now days, good work. As far as the cycle goes it looks solid.
As pct goes I would use both clomid and nolva. Can never be too safe on recovery and both SERMS act differently in the body to help recovery through different pathways. So I'd say use both. Personally I substitute toremfiene for nolva because I think it's a superior drug. Increases igf not decreases it like nolva does.
Hcg can always be a benefit to use on cycle to keep your engine running to help recovery be even quicker but in a simple 12 week test only cycle it's not absolutely nessecary. If you have the funds go for it. 250iu 2x/week starting around week 3-4, all the way through, blast 500iu EOD leading up to pct. discontinue 3 days from pct.
And I've said this a million times before it seems. Get some aromasin for pct. you want to keep AI support all the way through your pct but with a type 1 suicide inhibitor like aromasin. Not arimidex because it's a type 2 and has the potential to cause estrogen rebound. Causing many unwanted sides post cycle. I use aromasin exclusively as my AI to make it easy. Plus aromasin has many benefits that arimidex is lacking.
Hope this helps. Enjoy the cycle!
Awesome, Thank you! I'm aware of the potential side effects of handling a cycle wrong, and I simply don't want that to happen. I want to be as prepared as possible. Only if more people would want to be this prepared. ha
I've read more and more about Aromasin being the better AI. Sounds like I should just be using that. Should i be using this in the same way as I planned Arimidex, throughout my cycle, and continue this THROUGH PCT? Does 12.5mg EOD on Weeks 1-12 sound about right? It seems with the half-life of Aromasin, that should be sufficient enough to keep me in check. I could adjust accordingly.
Edit: Nevermind. I saw that you mentioned keeping it all the way through PCT. Dosing look correct?
you keep impressing with your knowledge bro. yep, through the cycle and pct. i personally use 12.5 mg starting week 4 and run it ED through the entire cycle until the last two weeks of pct when i drop it to 6.25mg ED. while studies have shown that aromasin, once stable in the blood, can cause inhibition of estrogen for up to 72hrs post administration i dose ED to make it simple. no wondering if you did it the day before or forgetting the schedule ect. pick a time and dose ED just to simplify things. 12.5mg may be too much for you or too little depending on how estrogen prone you are, get bloods done around week 6 to see where your at and adjust dose accordingly
Thanks! Also, that is why I decided on 12.5mg EOD, rather than everyday. So, around week 6, I'll need to get bloods done to at least show estrogen and T levels I assume? If my estrogen levels are too high, I would go ahead and increase my Aromasin dosage, yes?
Also, the taper off at the end of PCT makes sense, as I would also be tapering both Nolva and Clomid.
u got it bro. yes taper off everything last two weeks. aromasin to 6.25mg ed clomid down to 50mg ed and nolva down to 20mg ed
pct: clomid 100/100/50/50
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
this pct has treated myself and many others very well. you can also throw in some OTC test boosters aswell if you wish. d-aspartic acid, bulbine natalenis, massularia acuminata, lonjack, tribulus ect. (i like doing this for help with libido and erections. also helps with keeping the loads cumming lol)
This is a good first cycle. I'd recommend only using arimidex if you need to... Don't use it from the beginning as you don't know how you react to testosterone yet, and that much arimidex may crash your estrogen levels. I'd say don't use it unless you see sides of your blood work says otherwise.
The PCT is perfect for a first cycle, and you should keep it as is.
I don't believe HCG is necessary on such a basic cycle. I wouldn't bother.
You don't mention blood work. Have you gotten your pre cycle bloods yet?
Okay. I've seen many people start off taking .25-.5mg of Arimidex eod, which is why I mentioned it. I will hold off until a few weeks in to see what kind of effects the T will be having.
I actually just had the full work-up about a month ago at my annual physical. I need to get the actual test results in my hands. My doctor called and left me a message and said. " All of your blood work came back as normal, no need to give us a call back." Which i found a bit surprising, so naturally, I called back and asked a few questions. Not that I'm unhealthy in anyway, but I was just a bit taken back, because I hadn't gotten blood work done in years.. I specifically asked about T levels (because I've been a bit run down lately) and cholesterol (considering I eat a good amount of fat, albeit, good fats) and they mentioned everything was right within range. I need to give them a call and have them fax over my actual results so I could look.
You definitely want to know where you were before your cycle to gauge your recovery.
The reason you wouldn't want to start that adex right off the bat is it will take some weeks for the testosterone to build in your system.
Blood work at week 4-6 will let you know if you need to start your adex or aromasin (whichever you chose)
+1 for a sensible cycle.
Thank you! I'll wait until week 4-6 to start Aromasin if necessary pending bloods.