First Inject Cycle Help
Hi everyone. I'm starting my first inject cycle here in about 2-3 weeks and wanted some help. I am thinking about 4 weeks of about 30-50mg tbol kick start and a 10-12week Test e cycle. I was going to do clomid and Proviron as a PCT. I was thinking about also running .5mg of anastrozole as an anti estrogen during my cycle as well is this a good idea?
I would also like to know is this a good first cycle? What do you guys recommend? I've done a great amount of research but i'd like to know what some of you guys think.
Also what legal supplements would you guys recommend to take during my cycle for the best lean muscle gains? What general health supplements should I take?
I may sound ignorant but I really want to make sure I do this first cycle good and the safest way possible.
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Alright so everyone doesn't have to read this again and read down. Thank you everyone for your advice. I came to this site for this reason to post my cycle and get some first hand advice. I was advised to stay away from it because I am to young and I am going to do just that with the help of iron game and will be posting my progress on my profile for anyone who wants to keep up with me. Thank you everyone for the wonderful advice.
TARANIS+1 for listening to the advice and hope you do well, sorry i jumped the gun ,we just get so many kids wasting our time nowadays, you need anymore help you can also pm me to bro
wish you the best so refreshihg for someone to listen and be sensible
T
That's what I came to this forum site for. I wanted guidance and advice that's what I got. Thanks everyone for the help and no need to apologize I get what you're saying. I'll definitely add you and shoot you a PM if I ever need any advice which I'm sure I will.
TARANISGO on flame me for being to hard on a 155 lb 20 year old kid, bring it on!
He's A Man Now.... BOOM you just been flamed LMAO, Obviously I'm joking bro..
I will, becsue you obviously didnt read the fucking comments, but let me make it easier for you and ill post my comment first, cause its obvious you didnt take the time to read anything.
Ok bro, I was exactly in your position 3 years ago, except I was 15 pounds lighter, and a year older. I came to a forum similar to this one and did the same thing as you, proposed my cycle. I was told the same thing you are going to be told and that's to wait a few years. And I listened to them and I'm so glad I did. First of at your age your to young to be using gear. Your endocrine system will not fully devolppe until your mid twentys, it's very delicate at the moment and by messing with it with synthetic hormones but you at an extremely high risk of permentaly damaging it. I have two friends who will tell you all about how they started steroids at your age and now there dicks no longer get hard without Viagra. Doesn't that sounds like fun, you bag a girl out one night or meet a really special girl and get her in the bed but you have to say wait, I gotta take this viagra, should take about 30 mins to a hour and then my dick will get hard and them we can have sex. Sounds like a real mood killer right? And extremely embarrassing for a young guy. Like I said your system is not done developing yet, so ny using steroids you risk damaging it and permenrally shutting down your Natiral test production for ever. So you will be on testosterone replacement therapy at 20 years old and have to go to a doctors office every week and pay a 20 dollar co pay to get your injection every week until the day you die . That's just two of the problems thos will cause if you use steroids at your age. . If you want to know more I'll lay it uo for you.
Second, at your weight it's obvious you hAvemt been training very long at all which means you have little to know knowledge of proper diet, and training, and on top of that you don't know what type of training and diet works best for you body which is absolutely essential when using steroids. Threes drugs don't just spontaneously create muscle, it just speeds up the process when you have your diet and training dialed in perfectly. Without the basics like your diet an training you will not make any gains.
Next being 155lbs your body is not used to carrying any muscle. So thoeretically if you some how got your diet and training on point and made some big gains as soon as you come off your body will drop all that muscle faster then you gained it. It's not used to carrying all this muscle and when you add it this fast it doesn't give it time to get used to it so I will drop all of it as soon as you stop the hormones. You need a base of muscle before you use gear and not to mention years in the gym developing and strengthening your tendons so when you get the big stregnth increase from gear you don't tear a rotator cuff or something.
So with that being said, like I told you I did the same thing as you, but was talked out of it am told to weight a couple more years and build some muscle naturally first and get a little older and that's exactly what I did. Gained 30 natural side effect free pounds my first 6 months in the gym. And over the years naturally I gained a total of 50. Not all muscle of course but a lot of it was. So all you need is a good diet and training plan and you'll be on your way. As a newer lifter you can make absolutely amazing gains. When you first start out you gain muscle at a rate almost as fast as on steroids. And even if you have been lifting for a while your not carrying very much muscle so you will still gain just as fast as the guy who just started. The bigger you get the harder it is to gain, but you can make very fast gains for the next 30-40lbs easily. And that's without the shitty side effects from steroids. So with all that being said if you want to send me a friend request and a message I would be glad to get you on a good diet and lifting program and help you in anyway I can. I was exactly where you were bro so I know exactly what you need to do to make great gains. And this is all natural without the shitty side effects of steroids. I hope I didn't just waste 20 minutes writing this and have convinced you to do the smart thing and stay far away from steroids for a few more years.
And know I'm gonna post his responses, since you didnt care to fucking read them either.
1) I truly appreciate this I'm going to send you a friend request now.
2)Again thank you iron game looking forwarding to starting this routine and getting big naturally before I decide to cycle the actual time I should. Thank you to everyone that gave me advice I made the right choice by posting in this community first before making my decision thank you everyone.
3) thank you very much. I am open to listen to anyone on this forum with good reputation because I am not a hard headed human being. You guys know what you're talking about and I reached out for advice so any advice that is given to me I will listen to.
4) thanks man i appreciate everyones advice here. I am currently talking to irongame about a natural system to go I appreciate everyone's insight here.
And I would be glad to send you the 3 hour long conversation i had with him, and the diet, and training program i spend 2 hours putting together for him, so he can get big NATURALLY.
So her you fucking go bro, i made it real fuckijng easy for you to read. Now what can you infer from these statements??? That the kid, is fucking smart, and decided to do the smart thing and not sure fucking steroids. God dammit i don't even know what the fuck to say to your dumbass. Your really in your 40s? bullshit.
And then theres this statement from you "There are plenty of other aas sites that will help you without thought of your health and safety,this site is not just an aas site it is a community where people can use there knowledge to help and guide you in the right direction through there own experiences good and bad
were here to help each other do the right thing and take the right actions,
I think you would more suited to the other sites that don't give monkys nuts
TARANIS
Once again your an idiot, take this kinda of information pver to the other fucking 5 post a day we get with kids his age that DONT listen to my advice. Please, i don't think your right for eroids either. god dammit I'm gonna stop now before I break something. Please do not ever do anything like this again to a smart fucking kid who actually listen. And heres a little piece of advice. READ THE FUCKING COMMENTS BEFROE YOU POST. And you know what, fuck TheFlash, but if this is really how you are he couldn't be more right. Do not ever act like this towards someone like this again. If he's like 90% of the other young ones who don't listen, then fuck year, be a total douche but if he's the 1 in 10 who actually listen, give him a fucking thumbs up and ask if theres anything you can do to help.
TARANISbro what the fuck are you on about youv'e got this back to front ,read my stats i am nearly 50 and been training ror 35 years and sit at 275 -300lbs,so why all the advice i dont need ,your negging me for telling a 20 year old boy not to use steroids,well heres your neg back and i'll be shouting a mod telling them your condoning a 20 year old boy putting his health in danger,i'll know more than you ever know,i started to young so i know the score and trying to keep this boy safe,
your a flash fan wow
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARTED. You didn't read the comments again. I'm gonna keep fucking neggong you until you fuckinh read the comments you got damn idiot. Read the 20 minute fucking paragraph I wrote to the kid about why he should not use steroids you got damn idiot.
Please pleae please tell me how advising a 20 year old kid not to use steroids and then making a custom diet plan and training program is putting his health at risk. You are a fucking retard. Holy shit I'm in disbelief that you didn't read the comments again. Please read Over the fucking thread and you will see I CONVINCED HIM TO STAY NATURAL. I'm so shocked right now they you didn't read the post again.
But also thank you, you just got me so angry that I was able to add 5 more lbs and 10 more reps to my skull crushers compared to last week.
TARANISAnd bro its 1am where i am so im not that sharp at min,but totally apologize for not reading down,i just thought it was another one of the shit posts about a 20 year old using that i'm sick of reading,just tired bro
I understand man your right none of them ever listen, but this kids smarter then the rest of the idiots his age. I gave you karma back to. I know shit happens.
TARANISI apologize there your right i was just angry and jumped the gun ,but by fuck you wrote a novel i did not need to hear i have use4d steroids since you were 2 and have 25 years of knowlege,keep neggin me i'll just neg you back
I didn't neg you a second time. I understand you have way more experience then me know doubt. And I knkw you just assumed this kid was like all the rest and doesn't listen but he did an you would have seen all that in the thread, and I didn't just write all of that now lol. I just copied and pasted it it's from this thread if you would have taken the time to read it.
Bro I'm all for your comment if it's directed towards a hard headed dumbass young kid, but this dude isn't one of them, he actually took the advice and I spent hours making a meal plan for him and a training program that I will be monitoring for the foreseeable future. Just take the time to read and don't be a dick to literally the only person who actually listened to us and decided to stay natural, that never happens lol. None of them listen. And no hate here bro, I just don't like seeing people be rude like that to someone who doesn't deserve it and you would have realized that if you read through the thread. All the best to you bro.
TARANISI Agree i jumped the gun, oh no not another one ,just past the teenage years and probs won't listen to a thing he is told,i think a big part of my attitude was just recently i had a long convo with vike and nitti about this exact subject as were all getting pissed off about youngsters giving youngsters advice that will fuck them up for life,so i apologize to the lad as he's the 1 out of 10 that actually listened,and to you to for jumping the gun and not reading the whole post,
you must have started young yourself? i'm guilty of this but back then there was little knowledge and people were very tetchy about sharing,so i have to live with the consequences,
sent a fr bro tired and off to bed
I was almost 24 when I started my first cycle, not great but not to bad either. I wanted to jump on when I was almost 22 and I posted up a proposal just like his on another forum and was talked out of it. I was 6ft 130lbs lol. So I ended up puttin on 50lbs naturally before I started using. Glad I waited. And ya I've heard stories about the guys who used gear before the internet, you had to rely on other guys in gym to tell you how to do it. Thank god for the internet, I'm sure a lot less people fuck them selves up now because of the wealth of info that's just a click away.
And just for the record, I fucking hate flash. Just wanted to throw that out there lol.
TARANISyes bro so different back then, but just the same we all know not to believe everything we read on the net,
just used my smart phone and gave you another +1 but because i'm such a nice guy you can keep it,lol
honestly bro i couldn't believe you brought up flash lol
I hate the guy, I just remembered he mentioned you in the post, along with myself. He won't be missed.
Did you read any of the bottom comments where irongame said to do it naturally and he'd help me out for me to contact him if I wanted to go through with it naturally? I listened to everyone's advice and contacted irongame and I am staying natural with his help. So I don't know why you posted this. This topic was over and done with.
No, he did not bother to read one single comment on this page, and that kinda shit is becoming a big problem around here.
TARANISJust through interest how long have you been using AAS's?
TARANISThere are plenty of other aas sites that will help you without thought of your health and safety,this site is not just an aas site it is a community where people can use there knowledge to help and guide you in the right direction through there own experiences good and bad
were here to help each other do the right thing and take the right actions,
I think you would more suited to the other sites that don't give monkys nuts
TARANIS
TARANISBAHHHHH
Is noone taking in what this site is about,research,learn ask for help from people who know and have shit loads of experience,dont rush into things ,keep yourself healthy, take it a stage at a time, but man your 20 years old you do not stop growing and your metabolic rate slowing until your 25, are you people insane or just like being in and out of hospitals
YOU ARE FAR TO YOUNG TO BE USING STEROIDS,TRAIN AND DIET RIGHT AND REACH YOUR NATURAL MAX FIRST OR YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE,
YOU HAVE AT LEAST 5 YEARS OF HARD WORK YET BEFORE THINKING WHAT YOUR THINKING ALL YOU WILL DO IS DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH PERMANENTLY.
TARANIS
EDIT STATS AT 155LBS AT 20 YEARS OLD YOUR INSANE BRO ,THINGS DONT HAPPEN IN A DAY BRO, WE JUST WANT YOU TO STAY SAFE AND HEALTHY ,YOU WILL REGRET CYCLING NOW,
YOU WILL WRECK YOUR HEALTH BADLEY
SIGH...Jesus Christ of Nazareth..SMH
TARANISThe guy won't listen,or will he ,let him prove us all wrong,
TARANIS
Its all good, he's not gonna do the cycle and i just wrote him a diet and lifting plan. He's gonna blow up naturally.
TARANISDid you not read these 2 comments above,i was trying to be a little harsh on him as there are to many youngsters not listening to the good advice given out,
and im glad he's doing it naturally and your helping him out,i commend you,i have been here a lot longer than you ,since the site started in end 2010 then went awa\y for a couple of years and rejoined as TARANIS, I got sick of trying to help these young lads writting novels and they don't listen,and bro i help loads of kids and steer them in the right direction through pm when they seek me out which is quite often,
i apologise as i did not see he was going natural and thats great as i have said,i'm just sick of people not listening .A FLASH FAN JESUS YOU HAVE NO IDEA
maybe under another account, I dont even remember you from 2012 or 13, having account on here means little. cycle experience since he was 2 means little, cant say ive even seen you post a cycle for someone. and I would say that in this thread you where in the wrong, trying to compensate that with age, experience, and time on site dont impress me. so drop it!...actually looking your account, I mean you been here so long and have such experience you probably have some great posts, but I see nothing! looks like all your points have come from pictures, sad! Do not come on here and try to push your weight around like your somebody, Please, your embarrassing yourself
TARANISyeah bro it was another account colw,and i fully admitted i was wrong,i'm a busy man so can't spend a lot of time on here ,and i don't think i am anyone mate,my first account was round about the time H joined
then i had to spend some time away
if you can get into my pm's iv'e helped a lot of youngsters
Again thank you iron game looking forwarding to starting this routine and getting big naturally before I decide to cycle the actual time I should. Thank you to everyone that gave me advice I made the right choice by posting in this community first before making my decision thank you everyone.
Great decision bro, and stick around and learn. Theres alot more then just gear info on this site. tons of great info on training, dieting, different techniques, exercises etc. Learn all you can for the next few years.
thanks man appreciate it.
If you read my comments below on everyone else's I was looking for advice. I was advised against it and I'm going to take that advice sorry for reaching out and being stupid.
Also guys I have another dilemma but it is not with myself. My friend just got his order in and won't listen to anyone not to take his gear so I want to know what you guys think and I know exactly what the answer is gonna be that he is a dumbass.
His stats:
19
5'10
140lbs like 8% BF
His cycle:
1-4 weeks 50mg dbol everyday
1-4 weeks (idk dosage) oral tren everyday
1-15 weeks 500mg per week Test e
11-15 weeks 50mg dbol everyday
11-15 weeks oral tren
PCT:
1-2 weeks 40mg nolva
2-4 weeks 20mg nolva
1-4 weeks clomid
I know he's a dumbass and will have to end up going to the hospital or stopping his cycle I'm hoping your feedback to this comment I can show him and possibly steer him away from taking it even though his gear has arrived.
Oh my god. Honestly with that cycle I'm not worried about him permenantly fucking up his endocrine system, that's a given , no doubt about it his dick wil not be working after this. I'm worried about him potentially not surviving. And I'm not just saying that. Oral tren is the most toxic oral steroid ever made. And on top of that he's gonna stack it with another toxic oral steroid. You never stack orals, let alone stacking the most dangerous toxic oral ever created. Liver failure is a very very big possibility for him. He would be lucky if he just ended up in the hospital, there's a possibility he isn't that lucky and ends up 6ft under.
Exactly but he is a hard headed kid... He will not listen to anyone when they tell him this... I'm worried that he's gonna end up going to the hospital. The recommendations are not to go over 3-4 weeks of oral tren and he's doing 8 weeks in a 15 week span...
Thats the nature of being 19. Just do all you can to make sure this doesnt happen. the risk of liver failure stacking oral tren and dbol is seriously high.
Ok bro, I was exactly in your position 3 years ago, except I was 15 pounds lighter, and a year older. I came to a forum similar to this one and did the same thing as you, proposed my cycle. I was told the same thing you are going to be told and that's to wait a few years. And I listened to them and I'm so glad I did. First of at your age your to young to be using gear. Your endocrine system will not fully devolppe until your mid twentys, it's very delicate at the moment and by messing with it with synthetic hormones but you at an extremely high risk of permentaly damaging it. I have two friends who will tell you all about how they started steroids at your age and now there dicks no longer get hard without Viagra. Doesn't that sounds like fun, you bag a girl out one night or meet a really special girl and get her in the bed but you have to say wait, I gotta take this viagra, should take about 30 mins to a hour and then my dick will get hard and them we can have sex. Sounds like a real mood killer right? And extremely embarrassing for a young guy. Like I said your system is not done developing yet, so ny using steroids you risk damaging it and permenrally shutting down your Natiral test production for ever. So you will be on testosterone replacement therapy at 20 years old and have to go to a doctors office every week and pay a 20 dollar co pay to get your injection every week until the day you die . That's just two of the problems thos will cause if you use steroids at your age. . If you want to know more I'll lay it uo for you.
Second, at your weight it's obvious you hAvemt been training very long at all which means you have little to know knowledge of proper diet, and training, and on top of that you don't know what type of training and diet works best for you body which is absolutely essential when using steroids. Threes drugs don't just spontaneously create muscle, it just speeds up the process when you have your diet and training dialed in perfectly. Without the basics like your diet an training you will not make any gains.
Next being 155lbs your body is not used to carrying any muscle. So thoeretically if you some how got your diet and training on point and made some big gains as soon as you come off your body will drop all that muscle faster then you gained it. It's not used to carrying all this muscle and when you add it this fast it doesn't give it time to get used to it so I will drop all of it as soon as you stop the hormones. You need a base of muscle before you use gear and not to mention years in the gym developing and strengthening your tendons so when you get the big stregnth increase from gear you don't tear a rotator cuff or something.
So with that being said, like I told you I did the same thing as you, but was talked out of it am told to weight a couple more years and build some muscle naturally first and get a little older and that's exactly what I did. Gained 30 natural side effect free pounds my first 6 months in the gym. And over the years naturally I gained a total of 50. Not all muscle of course but a lot of it was. So all you need is a good diet and training plan and you'll be on your way. As a newer lifter you can make absolutely amazing gains. When you first start out you gain muscle at a rate almost as fast as on steroids. And even if you have been lifting for a while your not carrying very much muscle so you will still gain just as fast as the guy who just started. The bigger you get the harder it is to gain, but you can make very fast gains for the next 30-40lbs easily. And that's without the shitty side effects from steroids. So with all that being said if you want to send me a friend request and a message I would be glad to get you on a good diet and lifting program and help you in anyway I can. I was exactly where you were bro so I know exactly what you need to do to make great gains. And this is all natural without the shitty side effects of steroids. I hope I didn't just waste 20 minutes writing this and have convinced you to do the smart thing and stay far away from steroids for a few more years.
Copy all of this so u can just paste it on the next unreal cycle proposal. I'm sure there will be more to come bro lol
I truly appreciate this I'm going to send you a friend request now.
+1 for taking this into consideration
You have no idea how rare that is on this site. Thanks for being one of the few
thank you guys for giving me honest advice and not bullshitting me honestly. Btw how do I +1 someone?
You just hit the thumbs up on thee reply. But you have to get to 50 Karma before you thumbs up Actualy gives the person more karma.
thank you very much. I am open to listen to anyone on this forum with good reputation because I am not a hard headed human being. You guys know what you're talking about and I reached out for advice so any advice that is given to me I will listen to.
Stats?
I'm 20 years old. 5'10 155lbs don't know body fat but it's very low.
Was gonna run:
1-4 weeks tbol 30mgs per day
1-12 weeks test e 500mg per week
1-12 weeks anastrozole .5mg EOD
14-18 weeks Proviron and Clomid
Wait 5 years then try anabolics bro..ur going to destroy ur endocrin system.listen to iron bro, u won't regret taking the advice
thanks man i appreciate everyones advice here. I am currently talking to irongame about a natural system to go I appreciate everyone's insight here.
Ya bro he's definently one with a lot of knowledge.he won't steer you wrong