posted Tue, 11/20/2012 - 08:17
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First cycle prop kickstart?
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Hey guys just curious here I know that for your first week you should run Test E for 12 weeks only so you can see how your body reacts and if you have problems you know what its from and not have to guess between different compounds, but as far as a kickstart is concerned couldn't you run some prop for the first 4 weeks to get some gains and stuff considering its test and if you run into problems you would know its from test and estrogen based? I know running something like dbol the first time around is a no no but what about prop? Just inquiring btw curious thats all
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juice12345678Yup you could....
But should you?
I'll be honest with ya....
My first cycle was a cluster fuck....
BUT I LEARNED....So I'm going to share my story to help ya out....
Keep this one simple my man....Test. E - then you get to add as time goes on
We've all done some weird shit....but keep the first one simple brother....
1jakd_hipyYou could frontliad the Test E. I believe it was Zewi that did a nice writeup on it. I'm on my phone right now, but if you want to check it out when I get home ill post the link
TropicanaJuiceya man post it if you can find it Im always up for learning something new
1jakd_hipyI'm in class so it'll be 2 hours or so but I'm sure if you asked Fast nicely he would post it
TropicanaJuiceI found it, just searched it so i didnt get the "why don't you just search it and stop being lazy"
1jakd_hipyWell done good sir! If I could plus one you I would
First run you shouldnt even be wanting a kickstart u should be focused on diet and training not relying on the gear too much.
Your better off just running test e on your first go, this way you get the feel of pinning and dial in your pinning technique.
TropicanaJuicemakes sense, Thanks BB
It is possible. Biggest problem is virgin muscle. Even with no pip gear...virgin muscles will surely let you know. Site rotation must happen. It ends up about 16pins of jyst prop pkus 8 pins enanthate the first month. Estro will hit faster of course but the pinning is the main issue. Reality.....most dudes can simply do 2 test e cycles per year and keep growing. The added compounds come from curiosity and self research.
TropicanaJuiceFast my brother, will you please post zewis post on frontloading Test E lol
*did my research and found it lol
Just 500mg in 2 shots the first week. Thats it
TropicanaJuicewouldnt you do that for the first weeks tho? if you read his post after the fourth week your just about at the 500 mg a week mark. so it would be 50 mg twice a week for for weeks then when its in your system drop to 250 twice a week for the remaining 8 weeks? that way your constantly at 500 mgs a week active in the blood?
***wow read that way wrong...If I were to take 1000 mg for 4 weeks I'd end up with either two dicks or probably more likely 4 tits lol. but I get it now
Just outta gym...sorry I couldnt tag it here for ya
TropicanaJuicegotcha fast! thanks buddy, so its not necessarily a big no no like as in adding dbol to the first cycle then.
Personally....dbol imo isnt good for cycles either unless you really want that puffy water bloat. I ran it at lighter doses and got the strength/weight added with less crash and estro. I like prop better because then I can use any oral finisher and not worry bout killing liver.
Too much pinning for your first time with gear.
TropicanaJuiceIn what way do you mean too much pinning like too much for the muscle or just it would be annoying to pin that frequently?
1jakd_hipyHe means 1. You haven't even experimented with site rotation yet and when you hit virgin muscle especially in muscles you use regularly I.e. the quads or delts it can leave you crippled. 2. Pinning EOD can end up turning you off to steroids, pinning EOD becomes a chore really fast if your not one of those self mutilation types who enjoy the pain.
Thank you kindly. Explained it well for me!
TropicanaJuiceGotcha, ya makes sense with the virgin muscle aspect