posted Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:02
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Dbol/test E cycle advice
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I'm going to be totally honest, I have never used injectables. I have cycled orals with decent results before, but most of my gains have come from good eating, and good old fashioned hard work. I am 31, & This will be my "first" cycle, well my first injectable cycle. I'm planning on running test e, and dbol. test @ 500-600mg/wk (weeks 1-12). dbol @ 30-40mg/ day split into 4 doses spread through out the day (weeks 1-5)going to have nolva for pct running it 40/40/40/20 starting 2 1/2 -3 weeks after my last pin. I would like to add hcg, but haven't found a good source for it as of yet. What do you think fellaz?
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I chose to X out the dbol, too close to summer, and took forever to get my cycle together. I will run test e, deca, and anavar at the end of my cycle followed by nolva, and clomid for pct. then I will be running some clen I have lying around..
first time running injectables you really should stick to one compound and thats the test. Estrogen from test and prolactin from the deca can both cause different kinds of gyno and you aint gonna know which you got running those both together on your first cycle. Ive got prolactin induced gyno right now, its no joke, hurts like a bitch! but at least I know what kind it is!
So maybe save the deca for 2nd cycle then, and just run test e and var? That sucks bro- sorry to hear that.. So how the hell would you figure out what type of gyno you have then? If you ran 2 compounds, and weren't sure which the sides came from?
Because I have ran test only cycles, and test cycles up to 1500mg/w with out getting it, ran test deca before as well with no problems, but this cycle I upped my deca dosage from 400mg/w to 750mg/w, that was when it set in, and my test was at 750mg/w as well way under what ive done before, plus I was running adex and no caber like a dumbass. After you run several cycle with a compound you will know how you respond to it, thats why its important to run one at a time, so yes MY advice is to set the deca aside and run the test and var.
Frankiex2
you running 19 nor solo bro?
No was with test, ran the deca too high though, it happens now I know my limit without caber! LOL
Frankieyeah thought that maybe the case ,lucky i am gyno prone would hate to get that shit tbo .
good deal bro. Let us know how it comes out.
Cycle looks good.
I personaly prefer add some deca to this
What brand of HCG do you need??
Its pretty clear on this board that we advise one new compound per cycle, if he has never ran an injectable then he should only run test. And there is no source promotion in any other area than your review and supplier intro. You can share advice here, but it would be greatly apreciated if your on the same page as the rest of us, one new compound per cycle...
Glad your off oral only thats a plus . Your cycle looks fine only thing i would personally change is use test prop for your last 2 weeks of cycle at 75mgs- 100 mgs ed that way he long ester test will be out of your system by the time your cycle ends and you can start pct in 4 daya in stead of 2 weeks. Also throw some clomid in your pct plan 100/100/50/50
NOT trying to be a know it all carnealsr. You have been a member here for longer than myself, and in no way do I mean ANY disrespect to you - or the SOLID advice you have offered here. I am new to this shit, please excuse me if I came off like a douche. I assure you that was not my intention. I REALLY like the fact of running the prop for the last 2 weeks, so that I can begin pct much sooner. great tip man! I really appreciate that man! but in your honest opinion is clomid 100% NECESSARY? Or can I get away with nolva only? And do you think like some others said, that the dbol is that bad? especially @ moderate doses split throughout the day? and only for 5 weeks ? I think people take the liver toxic thing way too far. alcohol is poison, people drink it everyday and still manage to live to 100. lol. should I really sweat 30 - 40 mg of dbol? especially if im taking liver support supps? :/
Well i wouldnt say clomid is neccesary but nolva doesnt kickstart hpta like clomid does you can get away with either or but they work well together and its just a precaution so you dont lose any more gains than you have to
Thanks for the sound advice brotha. Only reason I chose nolva only is I see so many people saying that when using nolva.. it's pointless. I try and keep the pencil sharp, and do loads of research BEFORE touching anything new. I like the idea of running prop. I was debating running prop ed or eod in place of the dbol, but at some point $ plays a role in the equation. I know that money ain't shit without good health, but I'm trying to keep the gear budget low, and get max gains . If it money weren't an option, I'd run a small dose of adex ed or eod, hit prop for the first 4-5 weeks+test e, maybe a moderate dose of deca, skip the dbol, and nolva /clomid/hcg for pct just to be safe. but that - unfortunately- isn't the case. I'm a daddy, and fam. comes first. I am getting the crumbs and trying to piece the bread back together to get a decent cycle together. = ( any thoughts on a test e /deca cycle instead of running the dbol? and really guys... I hear so much about dbol being "liver toxic" ... I have done a ton of research on it and have yet to see "significant" evidence that a 5 week or less cycle of dbol really puts massive amounts of strain on the liver. Remember Arnold used to wake up to handfulls of this shit before "liver support" was ever invented... OR - PCT.
They will want your stats. Bloodwork, goals etc. I'm 46 and about to join you after more research. A very respected man here suggested tbol in place of dbol. My program will be identical to yours with tbol. I'm also trying to add the HCG for the last piece. Still looking for a quality source as well. Good bro. Post stats at end of program.
Awesome man, I hear tbol has very few sides, and less water retention than dbol, also "less" liver toxic too. that sounds like a good choice in place of dbol man, for sure.. just hard to find for a decent price, and if you do find it cheap, then it usually isn't any good, or underdosed. hcg is a great addition to the end of any cycle for obvious reasons... just hard to find a reliable source for that as well. I personally will NOT be the guinea pig. If I haven't seen high ranking members on this forum talking about the quality of such a product, you can bet your sweet ass, I WILL NOT be injecting and such matter into myself. I'm not 18 anymore, don't have the time, patience, or extra funds to waste on bunk shit. I take as little chances as possible, hope you do well with your cycle man .. best of luck to you! there are a lot of really good sources here, you just gotta be smart, and do your homework. ; ) you will find what you are looking for bro! As far as stats, I will try and post first to last pin stats of my progress in the forums. add me as a friend, I'll let you know when I start, etc.