posted Thu, 02/19/2015 - 07:06
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Cycle with HGH
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It was suggested that I post my next cycle here.. so I'm going to postthis with hope of any experienced users can provide feedback, or any suggestions to help me along the way -- now what I do NOT have planned is a good PCT -- not sure what to take and when..
So for the cycle
- HGH -- running anywhere from 3.6-5.4iu of real (humatrope)
- test cyp weeks 1-10 at 500mg
- Mastoral (by alpaha pharma) 30mg a day for weeks 1-6
- Anavar / weeks 6-12 at 50mg a day
- winstrol weeks 11-16
PCT help?
any suggestions on the cycle
I'm 6 3-- 225lbs -- athletic build / skinny legs so all upper body.. just looking for a good solid mcycle, lean muscle, no bloating, no jacked up look
appreciate any/ all feedback!
thanks!
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Robert7788ok I'm going to try to list this very simple
Week 1-18 test cyp 500-750mg week 1-16 500mg EQ (still debating on this) HGH - 5.4iu Humatrope
aromasin 12.5mg a day starting week 3
Anavar 40mg weeks 6-13
Winny (inject wanted tabs) 1 EOD weeks 11-16
Hcg 250 x 2 a week
then the PCT you advised
Robert7788what about taking shots of hcg 1x a week or eow as some people say since i'm running test for a long time?
Robert7788ok - I have to see if I can get Masteron.. any recommended brands?
I know I can get the Eq and I did like it when I took that
why test + eq for 18 weeks ? does it take longer to work?
run BOTH test and eq for a full 18 weeks.. then maybe at week 16 add the anavar orals?
sound good?
ohh sorry dosage of test and Eq please !
I appreciate your help!
EQ has a very long ester and takes a very long time to build up in your system. I front loaded for two weeks for my current cycle but EQs magic won't show until those later weeks which is why 16-18 weeks is recommended. 20-24 weeks is even better but not advised unless you're a trt guy.
Brands cannot be discussed in open forum. You can send me a FR and PM me and we can talk brands in private.
As far as doses, I know you laid out compounds used but not dosages. What do you normally run test at? And what dose did you run EQ last time? Personally I'm running EQ higher than my test but I'm not comfortable advocating doses until I know what you're already comfortable with.
You want to run test two weeks longer than the EQ and start pct two weeks after the last test shot. (4weeks from the last EQ shot to allow the ester to clear your system) if running orals at the end for 6 weeks, start them 6 weeks before pct and run them right up till pct. discontinue EQ 4 weeks from pct, test 2 weeks from pct, orals can be discontinued day before. Understand?
Robert7788gotcha, will try to PM you as well..
I'm going to run 400-600mg of test as I feel / read this is a decent amount of test along with 4-7iu of the HGH
then if I add the EQ -- it comes typically in 200mg.. I'm guessing run 400mg of eq
in past I probably ran 400mg for 10 weeks
I have no issues running gear longer.. 16-20 weeks etc... I'd rather to less longer than more now.. I want solid gains and I realize notng will happen overnight-- slow and steady wins
I def need help with the PCT after -- I do have time to figure that out though
so test and eq-- the test I have now.. so i'll start at 400mg for now, unless you feel other wise and place and order today for masterol or eq
Make sure to get all your items, gear, ancillaries, and pct items all before you start your cycle. I cannot stress this enough!!! There are delayed packs ect and you don't want to be stuck waiting for things to come in when pct time comes round.
EQ is definitely a slow builder but quality muscle so you'll like that. But 400mg is too low IMO. I don't want to get flamed by other guys for advocating higher doses but id say 600mg / week is minimum. I'd go 800mg personally. 600mg test is good. I'd go on the higher end of the test dose because it will be utilized better because of the gh you're using. Something to do with gh creating more receptor sites for the test to dock at.
Look at my original post at the bottom. Everything you need for pct will be in that post. Another tip, if you do plan on running the EQ test cycle for 18 weeks I suggest using hcg through the cycle to keep your engine running so you won't be completely shut down for so long. 250iu 2x/ week starting around week 3. Blast 500iu EOD last week before pct.
If you don't want to run a longer cycle, which is essential when running EQ, then as I said before I would recommend masteron. It is available in enanthate so pinning 2x /week in the same barrel as your test would be fine. No more pins than you're already doing.
My recs
Test + masteron 12 weeks var or winny finisher
Or
Test + EQ for 18 weeks var or winny finisher
Robert7788so gents: am i good here or do i make a swap? i seen 2 other sites that ran winny and anavar together at end of cycle as well as I have planned thanks
Is it possible? Yes. But IMO your just wasting drugs. I'd stick with one or the other. As far as your precious question is concerned about another long ester... I wouldn't run primo unless you got a wad of cash burning a hole I your pocket because pharma grade primo is expensive stuff, has to be run at a fairly high dose and for a long period to get the most out of it. If you ran EQ already and loved it I would just do that again. Test EQ for 16-18 weeks and run your gh all the way through and continued after, you will be a lean mean muscular machine. As far as ancillaries and pct I already touched on that below
Robert7788what about doing the winny and the test together in the beginning, since i can use the same Pin...?
Robert7788Sorry about mentioning the brands
History, yes I have done cycles on and off for over 8 years -- just an avergage guy who has done cycles, then slacked at times, then done some more etc
why does the cycle look like a mess -- i have done a lot of research on the individual products I have, but as far as their synergy together , no -- i have NOT got into the Chemistry of it all to see what works best with what
any suggestions are appreciated as I have access to get any other gear
hgh i been on for about 3 months now.. but i been doing that with generic for about 1 year, just recently switched to Humatrope and Genotropin (yes expensive - but i'm at a poiint I only want best and brand names.. its expensive i know, but i can afford it)
Kap -- another Long ester you mentioned -- like what? primo? not sure what the long esters are i'll have to Google it
history as far as what I have done
test
Eq- years ago and loved it
Deca 1x
Dball - 1x 10 years ago
sustanon years ago
only rently within the past 5 years I have had experience with:
Test
HGH
Primo
Tren (night sweats were soooooo bad)
winny - but stopped bc pinning EOD killed me
Take the brand names out.
Robert7788Yes I have been on HGH for last 3 months and will continue for a while.. thanks
I'm going from Anavar to winstrol.. so 6 weeks of anavar, then 6 of winstrol -- from what I read 6 weeks of anavar is near max bc its orals? plus anavar is expensive but I can get more if you think differently.
I have 250- 10mg tabs of Anavar
winstrol I have 30 shots indiv amps of course
I have orals bc hate doing all the shots -- so what would you recommend the cycle to be then..what would I change about the orals.. take them sooner?
thanks
Ok cool. Some people just think hgh is cycled. Lucky you that you has the means to run hg gh for that long.
Pinning is just part of cycling, unfortunately. But taking orals shouldn't be the answer to less pins, IMO. I would keep the orals to 6 weeks at the end. I would keep your winstrol shots for another time, even injectable winstrol will strain your liver since it's still a c17-alk compound, and run the anavar 50mg/ day for 50 days at the end. Cyp can be shot 2x/week. Instead of taking another oral I would stack another long estered inject along with your test in the same barrel so no additional shots are required.
What compounds do you have experience with? I'm running EQ with my test and love it. But 10 weeks is no where near long enough for eq. Masteron enanthate would be a good compound for your goals and pinning tolerance. But I can't give more information without knowing skittle more about your cycle history
Previous cycle history? What cycle will this be?
Do you have enough GH to run well past the end of your cycle? Like 6 months.. GH isn't like AAS, you don't cycle it. Either you're on gh or you're not.
As far as the cycle, what's the reason for dropping anavar and switching to winstrol? Unless you already had a bit of both. And that's a lot of time on orals. 16 weeks out of the cycle you will be taking oral AAS? Not the best idea IMO. If running var and/or winny out to 16 weeks. Run the test cyp out to 14 weeks. And I'd choose between var or winny. And save the other for another cycle, just my .02.
I'm not familiar with masterol, I'm assuming some kind of oral kick start like superdrol. I'd maybe rethink the cycle and instead if so many orals stack another injectable like masteron if your looking for that chopped up lean look and drop a lot of the orals. Keep either var or winny at the end.
As far as pct, the standard pct advocated on this board is:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
(Personally I don't like nolva and choose to use toremifine instead because it's a much much better drug IMO)