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Im looking to cycle to lean down. I know diet and cardio are core, but want to save as much muscle with that as possible. I have several products to choose from; sust, test c, dbol, var, tren, eq. and pct too. I thought I knew alot about cycles, but reading forums alot has changed. i ran some cycles when i was younger, but now 40 and am looking for more quality than bulk.
any suggestions for the above products to cycle while I diet down to drop bf. thx for any suggestions.

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Here was my plan, what do you think?
1-16 wk Test E 400mg
1-2 wk 1200mg EQ
3-16 wk 600mg EQ
1-4 wk Test P 100mg EOD
17-19 wk Test P 100mg EOD
wk 20 back to cruise TRT
I'm looking to get much leaner, just dropping bf. I am 268b at @ 17% now. I have 6 more weeks of dieting to try to drop more bf prior to cycle.

thanks for the help man.

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how many cals would you take in on this cycle if I really want to drop bf? I'm a pretty easy gainer, but hard to drop bf.
I was thinking 400/P 300-350/C and 80/F makes for @ 3500-3700 cals

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thanks man. good guys on here helped me with it, but i'm always open to more opinions.

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thanks. what do you think of Test E instead, of only 400 wkly. and front load of EQ 1200 wk 1&2, then 600 wk. I am TRT so no need for PCT, so I've been told.

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thanks, i hear what your saying and know its true. Mentally I think i just need that visible bit of difference I can see to help with modivation to stay on track. shallow but true in this case.

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UncleYoked's picture

I totally get it brother. Especially as men, it's like when we know we're full of gear it turns us into supermen and can do anything. The man thing for running test at your bf% is the increased likelyhood of estro related sides. Gyno especially.

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Haha yeah I might know where a few bottles are.

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def. dont want that. thanks

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fast48's picture

Those values are identical. Aromasin depends on cycle. Half life is 27hrs which is why its typically a daily dose.

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will do thanks for the help.

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UncleYoked's picture

Eat less. Exercise more. Then run some test when you're under 15% bf.

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I was also thinkning of trying clen/t3 or just clen to help drop my bf.

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I will be starting this cycle you recommended. A few questions: Can Test E replace the Test C? and should I still follow this PCT is I am on TRT?
thanks

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fast48's picture

Great info but if he doesn't do bloods before...he wont be prepared for possible high bp etc. He could also be a trt possibility which by itself would allow for fat loss.

How old is OP?? +1

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im starting TRT, was gonna do pellets, but reconsidering no after talking to others. gonna try for shots instead.

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fast48's picture

Ok...this type of info changes many things for your goals. Have doc get shots regulated first. Cutting with just trt alone is often times all you need. Second...testosterone raises heart rate. Clen will raise heart rate even higher. If dose from doc is 200 every 2 Weeks....many use 100/week for more even dosing.

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i have read that alot wkly instead of bi.

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fast48's picture

Community....forums..trt. Many good dudes on there with lots of tricks and info. Sometimes simply trt and clean diet with weights/cardio is enough. Low test puts you into high bf mode by its nature. So getting balanced and diet/exercise first. 18% to seeing abs just using that route is possible by summer. That may seem a long ways off but hardcore drops in bf too fast typically results in fat rebound. These changes/goals need to be life long as your trt will be. On bloods how was your estro and bound/unbound test?

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ill check out those forums. not sure of estro #'s. i didnt focus on that with dr, but will, makes total sense. thanks for the help

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thanks boss, i like this.

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fast48's picture

Running eq as cutter....suggest getting home bp monitor. No added salt. Gallon water daily. Superclean diet.

High bf and steroids increases bp...stroke. Edema...death if not monitored.

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ok thx for the heads up. never had inssue with bp before. in good shape bp taken regularly already. just genetically high bf my whole life, but tired on it, trying to break that streek and go leaner harder, not so heavy and bulky.

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fast48's picture

Normally my bp is 120/90....on my favorite eq/test bp just with dehydration has been 152/108. So with high bp already theres other options that would be safer. Really need bloods bro. Im on same route as you from injury...so understand your goal.

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Not at all as a knock. You got a bump for being very thorough and informative. Just OP has high bf and now adding info. The layout for cutting was perfect!!

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Yeah it's easy to forget about the whole stroke and death thing.

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thanks bro

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fast48's picture

Personally i wouldn't mess with thyroid. First thing is getting bloodtest to see natty levels. Privatemedlabs.com use the female hormone panel. It's $59 for the same test they give men. Weird but true. Get clean bloods first. Then you know where you are. Clen is harsh on heart valves but can be effective with a very clean diet. Biggest concern first is getting into and keeping a clean rich diet. Nothing happens without proper food. Gym and low impact cardio are the fat burning keys. Simply put...there's no magic pill.

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Clen is the only compound that truly scares me. I even bought some tabs from Balkan that I fully intended on running but just couldn't let myself do it. If I were a model or competitor then probably. But I'm already TRT, I don't need any more issues. Plus I'm really sensitive to stimulants.

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im starting TRT and am set for the pellets. any experience with that. i see alot of test c comments here.

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did androgel in past, i wasnt consistent. to hard to rmember every f'n day. i do have small kids. thought pellet might be way to go. did or does your Dr swich your test kinds or do you just stick with test cyp.

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that sounds like my idea........lol i have a shit load of gel that i just never used but filled script.

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yes im in US. I'm gonna try this pellet thing, looks a bit rough if view online procedure. will prob go to injections after first pellet therapy, suppose to last 3-4months then drops down. i cant get cut 3 or 4 times a year, even though its small procedure. causes ALOT of bruising in but cheek.

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sounds good. i agree was gonan give it a one time try then go to shots. seems shots are most common besides gel. i hate gel.

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UncleYoked's picture

My doc told me the other day about a man who used the gel and would apply it on his chest. He then held his infant granddaughter on his bare chest a few times. Irreversible damage to that poor little girl. That's sad.