posted Sat, 12/29/2012 - 02:46
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Im looking to cycle to lean down. I know diet and cardio are core, but want to save as much muscle with that as possible. I have several products to choose from; sust, test c, dbol, var, tren, eq. and pct too. I thought I knew alot about cycles, but reading forums alot has changed. i ran some cycles when i was younger, but now 40 and am looking for more quality than bulk.
any suggestions for the above products to cycle while I diet down to drop bf. thx for any suggestions.
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AnonEq is the way to go....i can set u up
1-18Wk. Test c 600mg
1-12wk. Eq 600 mg
13-16 wk. Eq 800mg
14-18 tbol 40mg\day
Pct starts wk22
Here was my plan, what do you think?
1-16 wk Test E 400mg
1-2 wk 1200mg EQ
3-16 wk 600mg EQ
1-4 wk Test P 100mg EOD
17-19 wk Test P 100mg EOD
wk 20 back to cruise TRT
I'm looking to get much leaner, just dropping bf. I am 268b at @ 17% now. I have 6 more weeks of dieting to try to drop more bf prior to cycle.
thanks for the help man.
Anonyea thats good too..... i had the tbol backwards i meant for it to be in the first 5-6 weeks.... because if you add it in the end of the cycle on top of upping the bold it may be more of a mass builder..... but the prop is just as good bro...... go with it i like it
how many cals would you take in on this cycle if I really want to drop bf? I'm a pretty easy gainer, but hard to drop bf.
I was thinking 400/P 300-350/C and 80/F makes for @ 3500-3700 cals
thanks man. good guys on here helped me with it, but i'm always open to more opinions.
thanks. what do you think of Test E instead, of only 400 wkly. and front load of EQ 1200 wk 1&2, then 600 wk. I am TRT so no need for PCT, so I've been told.
Anon400 should be ok enanthate..... i would only front load 1 week.....im trt too so no pct
eq will make you hungry so try and keep diet in check
wait you said lean..... run tbol at beginning of cycle my bad... first 6 weeks and you can up thedose according to tolerance you may do well at 40..... everybodies different
thanks, i hear what your saying and know its true. Mentally I think i just need that visible bit of difference I can see to help with modivation to stay on track. shallow but true in this case.
I totally get it brother. Especially as men, it's like when we know we're full of gear it turns us into supermen and can do anything. The man thing for running test at your bf% is the increased likelyhood of estro related sides. Gyno especially.
AnonBut if you are gonna run some test look into getting it from this guy ^^ ;)
Haha yeah I might know where a few bottles are.
def. dont want that. thanks
AnonIf on AAS, Just keep estrogen in check with an AI like armoasin. 12.5mg EOD or 6.25mg ED will crush estrogen and unlike armidex there wont be an estrogen rebound if you stop taking it.
If your estrogen is in check, the risk of gyno is very very slim.
Those values are identical. Aromasin depends on cycle. Half life is 27hrs which is why its typically a daily dose.
will do thanks for the help.
Eat less. Exercise more. Then run some test when you're under 15% bf.
I was also thinkning of trying clen/t3 or just clen to help drop my bf.
AnonBoth clen and t3 are going to elevate your blood pressure. BP will already be elevated from the AAS. Don't put your heart thru anymore stress than its already under from the AAS. You wanna lean down and gain muscle, forget about the sust and dbol. Go with something like this:
Week 1-4: prop 100/EOD
Week 1-16: test cyp 300/wk
Week 1-16: eq 600/wk
Week 17-19: prop 100/EOD
Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD starting week 2 and continuing thru 2nd week of pct. (cut dose in half for remainder of pct)
Pct
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Run the female hormone panel like fast48 suggests at week 6 or 7. This way you can see where your at with you gear and if the aromasin dose needs to be tweaked. The dose I have for you is the standard recommendation. You'll need to find your sweet spot tho thru checking you e2 levels.
I will be starting this cycle you recommended. A few questions: Can Test E replace the Test C? and should I still follow this PCT is I am on TRT?
thanks
Great info but if he doesn't do bloods before...he wont be prepared for possible high bp etc. He could also be a trt possibility which by itself would allow for fat loss.
How old is OP?? +1
im starting TRT, was gonna do pellets, but reconsidering no after talking to others. gonna try for shots instead.
Ok...this type of info changes many things for your goals. Have doc get shots regulated first. Cutting with just trt alone is often times all you need. Second...testosterone raises heart rate. Clen will raise heart rate even higher. If dose from doc is 200 every 2 Weeks....many use 100/week for more even dosing.
i have read that alot wkly instead of bi.
Community....forums..trt. Many good dudes on there with lots of tricks and info. Sometimes simply trt and clean diet with weights/cardio is enough. Low test puts you into high bf mode by its nature. So getting balanced and diet/exercise first. 18% to seeing abs just using that route is possible by summer. That may seem a long ways off but hardcore drops in bf too fast typically results in fat rebound. These changes/goals need to be life long as your trt will be. On bloods how was your estro and bound/unbound test?
ill check out those forums. not sure of estro #'s. i didnt focus on that with dr, but will, makes total sense. thanks for the help
thanks boss, i like this.
Running eq as cutter....suggest getting home bp monitor. No added salt. Gallon water daily. Superclean diet.
High bf and steroids increases bp...stroke. Edema...death if not monitored.
ok thx for the heads up. never had inssue with bp before. in good shape bp taken regularly already. just genetically high bf my whole life, but tired on it, trying to break that streek and go leaner harder, not so heavy and bulky.
AnonEven still: fast raises a good point that I overlooked. All AAS is going to raise BP. A poly compound cycle will raise it even more, and given your age (which isn't really old, but lets be honest: you're not a spring chicken) you're at an even greater risk of hypertension. BP should be monitored on any cycle IMO, and diet and cardio should be dialed in to keep it under controll. I monitor mine daily and keep a log. Doing this is what led me to drop clen and from my cycles bc my shit was around 180/110 for over a week. Always a good idea to play it safe by learning your body.
Normally my bp is 120/90....on my favorite eq/test bp just with dehydration has been 152/108. So with high bp already theres other options that would be safer. Really need bloods bro. Im on same route as you from injury...so understand your goal.
AnonGood points
Not at all as a knock. You got a bump for being very thorough and informative. Just OP has high bf and now adding info. The layout for cutting was perfect!!
AnonI knew you weren't knocking it bro.
Always nice to have another perspective, especially when small things are overlooked.
Yeah it's easy to forget about the whole stroke and death thing.
AnonNo doubt brother. Anytime.
AnonI agree 100% with everything you wrote but that EQ. EQ gives alot of people an insane appetite which is a no-go while cutting. Alternatives to EQ could be mast or primo.
But yep this is solid advise. Prop kicker & using prop at the end before going into pct. Aromasin is also good advise, beats armidex. PCT is solid.
I approve this post.
AnonLol. Glad you approve.
He may get an appetite but if he keeps his diet and training dialed in, he will make solid gains without the bloat. If he had more experience with either eq, masteron and/or var, I'd say add the var or masteron, or both, and bump the test up to about 500. But I think this is more ideal for him at the moment. After this cycle, I'd suggest adding tbol over masteron. He seems to be looking for a lean bulker.
AnonIf you run t3, run it with test because t3 is NOT muscle sparing.
Personally I dont like clen just because of the negative effects it can have on your heart. But thats just my opinion, lots of people like clen.
DNP is another option. I have no experience with DNP so I cant say much about it, I can say its the strongest fat burner out there, bottom line.
If I were to use clen I'd use it to try to shed that last bit of stubborn fat rather than use it from the get-go.
Calorie deficit + maintenance testosterone + cardio = youre gonna lose weight.
I say keep it simple in the beginning and get the ball rolling and lose some weight and when you start getting closer to single digit bodyfat then look into throwing in clen, dnp or t3 to further assist.
thanks bro
Personally i wouldn't mess with thyroid. First thing is getting bloodtest to see natty levels. Privatemedlabs.com use the female hormone panel. It's $59 for the same test they give men. Weird but true. Get clean bloods first. Then you know where you are. Clen is harsh on heart valves but can be effective with a very clean diet. Biggest concern first is getting into and keeping a clean rich diet. Nothing happens without proper food. Gym and low impact cardio are the fat burning keys. Simply put...there's no magic pill.
Clen is the only compound that truly scares me. I even bought some tabs from Balkan that I fully intended on running but just couldn't let myself do it. If I were a model or competitor then probably. But I'm already TRT, I don't need any more issues. Plus I'm really sensitive to stimulants.
im starting TRT and am set for the pellets. any experience with that. i see alot of test c comments here.
AnonAre you in the US?
I'm on TRT and I have experience with androgel and test cyp but not testopel (pellets). I actually dont know anyone on testopel.
Androgel is a hassle.
Test C/E is my preferred route. I inject SubQ into my stomach.'
If your not in the states look into Nebido.
Once Nebido gets approved for sale in the states I'll be the first one on it.
did androgel in past, i wasnt consistent. to hard to rmember every f'n day. i do have small kids. thought pellet might be way to go. did or does your Dr swich your test kinds or do you just stick with test cyp.
AnonTest cyp is what my doc has me on. But I dont take it, I save my pharma test cyp and use it when bulking because its accurately dosed unlike alot of under ground labs. I take test e which I get from UGL's.
I had to do androgel, I knew i was gonna hate it so I kept complaining and got off of it and onto shots. Pretty sure test cyp is whats used in the states for TRT while test e is whats used in the rest of the world for TRT. I could be wrong.. but I know nobody on test e TRT in the states only test cyp
that sounds like my idea........lol i have a shit load of gel that i just never used but filled script.
yes im in US. I'm gonna try this pellet thing, looks a bit rough if view online procedure. will prob go to injections after first pellet therapy, suppose to last 3-4months then drops down. i cant get cut 3 or 4 times a year, even though its small procedure. causes ALOT of bruising in but cheek.
AnonI say dont bother with the pellets. Too little info out it compared to test cyp. And the info that is out suggests fluctuating levels.
Test Cyp subq shots really make it the best option. A subq shot is nothing, I wouldnt even wake from my sleep if someone subq'd me. I use 25g or a slinpin for subq.
sounds good. i agree was gonan give it a one time try then go to shots. seems shots are most common besides gel. i hate gel.
My doc told me the other day about a man who used the gel and would apply it on his chest. He then held his infant granddaughter on his bare chest a few times. Irreversible damage to that poor little girl. That's sad.