+ 4 Cycle 5, what's a gram???
See so many crazy cycle ideas from bad first cycle ideas to terrible second, third, etc. that I wanted to share my fifth cycle idea in hopes one of those guys would read this and take a step back.
Stats:
Age: 27 years old
Height: 5'10"
Weight:192lbs
Bf:16%
Goals: I will be looking to bulk up slow and steady.
Cycle:
Test cyp for 12 weeks at 500mg a week
Test prop at 100mg eod first 4 weeks
Provi 50mg split dose am/pm throughout
Adex .5 e3d through to week 12
Aro weeks 12-14
Standard 4 week pct 18 days after last pin.
My point to this post is you don't need a gram of test or 7 compounds to get solid gains. I could drop the prop and just run provi with the long ester test and I would still have a great run at 500mg a week...... No need to get crazy, if it works don't fix it brothers.
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in my humble opinion, running test prop on top of the cyp is way too much. if you're only 192 lbs then 500 mg a week is all thats needed. If you're looking to maximize your test, then add RAD-140 and DHEA
https://thinksteroids.com/articles/rad-140-sarm/
Bill roberts wrote a great article on it.
the adex needs to be dosed EOD not e3d due to it's half life. (48 hrs)
and with the anti estrogenic effects of the proviron and just test, then .5 mg is too much. idk. I'm not prone to gyno whatsoever, so that's just me personally.
why are you running a suicidal aromotase inhibitor when you've already stopped your test?
RustyhookerDepends on conversion.
.25e3d is .5 a week
.5e3d is 1.0 a week
.25eod is 1.0 a week
.5eod is 2.0 a week
Crash the estro and gains halt. That's why everyone pushes for blood tests. Some guys on low dose cycles need no ai. Others use letro because estro is huge issue.
Prop is for a kick start, the cyp will only slightly raise test levels until week three or four. Thus calling the prop a kick starter so I'll be "on" for a full 12 weeks not 9 or so. I run adex e3d always have always will, it works well for me that way.
The aro weeks 12-14 at low dose is to kill the estrogen that rebounds once I stop the adex.
I may lower my adex dose to .25 e3d though, cheers bro
I'm currently running something similar. 100 mg of sust 50 mg test e eod 25 mg provi daily adex on cycle aro during g pct for estro rebound prop kick @ 100 mg eod for four weeks and a prop taper weeks 11-14 starting at 100 mg eod and tapering to 50 mg start standard pct wk 15 I'm in week three and I'm loving it. Just have to be careful running provi and adex so you don't kill your estro. +1
Think I'll throw the taper at the end in as well, n thanks bro I'll keep a eye out with estro
Cheers on taking a step back. I did the exact same recently. Been on gear since 22 and dont think I have ever run a test only cycle, always had to add some compound to get big QUICK. Well this time (after a long series of injuries) I decided to run the exact same cycle, 500 test e and 50 mg provi with AIs. 15 lbs up in 2.5 months and still going strong. Patience, consistency and diet are what wins....everyone these days (I was guilty before) is too used to instant gratification, like tren or dbol gains. Gain it quick-loose it just as quick
Nice solid gains off this cycle no doubt brother! Keep the gains coming
But you see they have to run exponentially more gear than you due to genetics / being a hard gainer / various other excuses why it's so much tougher for them than you. And that's despite the fact that their training and diet is "on point bro" ;)
My genetics are shit, maybe I'll up the test to 1000mg a week, weird thing though, I keep getting crazy pip and a large knot at injection site after I pin the 500mg of test..... Bad gear? Has to be junk gear lmao
I mean I rotate glutes lololol
I like your style bro! Test/ provi cycle, good pct, proper nutrition and training, ample time between cycles can give great results!
Refreshing post! Thanx!
Thanks brother. Test n Provi is going to be a staple cycle for me. Love how I feel, like Var in the beginning as well but wanted to keep it simple and focus on diet n training. Plus var kills my appetite so no go for bulk cycle
bigmurphIts a great point with the Proviron you will free up that test and help with estro.
The prop kicker is a nice addition but like you said you can drop it and have a solid cycle still I might even say to the member go with a taper rather than a kick start.
Im curious brother why change to aromasin during your 2wks between last pin and pct I know it has effects that help bring back your test levels but I've always just used aromasin straight through and use it because I run hcg at the end of my cycle. Im really curious about the switch from adex to aromasin would like to hear your reasons im honestly curious.
Your not lying either if it would be tren said anywhere people would be all over this. This post really shows how bad it has gotten. Its not just here either around my parts all these young guys just want to run tren they don't care about the consequences and its scary and horrible I really believe that tren has its place but only with vets and true competitors that are stepping on stage.
+1 for really shining some light on this situation.
moojTren scary & horrible? No way man, its an Awesome drug. Easily the best after test out of all the others available for both aesthetics and strength.
LMFAO. Bro, yeah Tren is awesome all right. I'm in awe of it for sure. How can I run cycle after cycle of the shit with little in the way of bad sides then BOOM the cycle from hell. Anxiety attacks, BP probs, night terrors, the sweats, depression, lethargy, T3 crash, roid rage (I always thought that was horse shit, but Tren actually produces it) and a general feel like shit feeling all fucking day and night. Same drug, same dose and it's creepy how it just turns on you. Prolly the only psycho active steroid in the whole array of AAS drugs.
You, bro, just have not experienced the dark side of Tren yet. But, keep running it you will. We all do. It's just a matter of time. Awesome!!!
moojFrom what I've seen its always Paranoid/hyper people that find Tren hard to handle.
I dunno bro. I'm so laid back if some kinda big bug or something makes its way into the house in the front foyer, I'll put a piece of paper under it open the door and let it out rather than just crushing it. Tren is the only steroid I know that can be a completely different experience from one cycle to the next. You just don't know what to expect. I use it all the time, but because it has that pain in the ass aspect to it, I would hardly call it awesome. IMHO.
I switch to aro to prevent estro rebound issues during pct and as you said, raises test as well.
Yeah it's getting a bit much here and other forums as well. I like the tapering idea for this post especially
bigmurphThats the reason I figured I thought there might have been more to it that I didn't know about solid post brother
Dang, the silence is deafening. LOL
Lmao I know it, makes too much sense. Should've posted about Deca while on Tren lmfao
Ya. A deca, tren, trestolone cycle (3 19-nors) would have gotten way more traction . . .
Ah now there's an idea. With that combo I'll be eating my words of yesterday when I lay down 30lb of lean mass and drop to 6% BF in 12 weeks. Joking of course :-p.
bigmurphDon't forget the methyltrenbolone oral that you have to run as an oral.
Ya. The orals. I have not forgotten. As I always say, if my eyes are not yellow, and my skin is not gray, and may hair is not falling out in clumps, I'm not doing the orals properly . . . LMAO
Without a doubt unfortunately