Cutting Cycle
Happy with my size - just looking to get more vascular. Last year, I methodically went down 1 to 1.5lbs per-week, from 215lbs to 168lbs. After all the time and effort, I STILL couldn't get single-digit body fat. I knew guys like Stallone went as low as 155lbs (Rocky III) to achieve their physiques but I refused to go any lower cause I was torching my gains.
I've since gone back up to 190lbs with wider lats and larger arms than ever before. If I could keep my current size while looking tight I would be satisfied. So...
I know people shit on var only cycles (I can hear the groans) but I'm not looking to get any bigger. I'm not interested in 500mg test per-week - I just want a tighter body with my current size. Rather than losing 25+ lbs and not getting the results I want, why not drop 10lbs with var? I'd probably look money. I'm around 12% bf right now. I'd use milkweed for liver and PCT if necessary. Not worried about anavar dick - just did some blood work and my test is optimal (I'm 32 years-old).
So what's your thoughts? I'm not looking for drastic results so I don't see the need for heavier drugs. Var has low side-effects and is an effective fat cutter which is exactly what I'm looking for.
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basskiller89Var over test seems placebo to me brother
As rusty said, post up the info we need to really help you
Need more info for anything specific to you, but let’s get one thing straight. Just because you add test doesn’t mean you’re gonna get bigger. Diet dictates everything.
I've read this topic and all the posts below and agree totally with the other guys here. It's not a good idea to run any orals without test and depending on your goals you'd better think about using fatburners like eca (effe,coff,ass) or yohimbin or clen, but NOT steroids...
RustyhookerPost a picture. Post priors, diet plan and gym routine.
I’ve seen a guy run eq and var with no test. After about 8 weeks he was depressed all the time. He never did a blood test but I suggested he suppressed his own T. He ended up taking test p in a low dose and feeling better. I’m not saying everyone needs test in their cycles but I think most people do. It seems very rare to react well without it.
What ever you decide to do you need a test base to go along with it. Lots of people do oral only cycles with aas and now more then ever with SARMs and Andros (1AD, Epiandro,...). I personally couldn't stand being in a caloric deficit and at the same time having zero E2 and zero DHT. With a moderate dose of anavar you will be shutdown so no point in not taking test with it. You can take just a TRT dose of it if you are afraid of water retention, but TBH water is controlled with estrogen. Besides estrogen related water retention all ass will make you retain more water as AAS give more nitrogen retention. Nitrogen retention is also the reason why it's harder to lose muscle when on a cut.
I am on my first cutting cycle of Test. 500mg ew. Estrogen is controlled, so no more water retention then I would get theoretically only with var. I feel great (physically and mentally) and can do lot's more volume in the gym and don't feel burned out. With an only var cycle you will probably feel crappy and lethargic. Basically you can cut with any ass, they all mostly do the same thing. When you finish your cycle, the water retention from excess nitrogen retention will dissipate.
So for a cut you want to feel good and have energy to actually do your workouts. You need E2 and DHT for that = test base. Hope this helps.
So a month ago you were asking advice on a test run 500mg week. Did you do that?
Are you still doing that it wasnt quite 12 weeks ago. If you had finished it it hasnt been long enough to run another cycle . And you had a birthday i see. 31 to 32. Happy birthday. And why are you cutting at 6.3 190?
Nice catch bill. And agreed on weight.
Also a little weird that he lost like 50lbs and wasn’t in the singles. Either diet sucks or was very overweight to begin with.
Heaze2016You need to rethink this and do a little more research. Like others have said on here you have to at the very least run a low dose of test. If your willing to do that look into anadrol instead of var. It builds strength while maintaining muscle and also works as a appetite suppressant.
Var, nor any AAS, are weight loss drugs.
The classic tren statement of 'literally see fat melting off' still makes me laugh..
It's repeated over and over here. .. oral only cycles are not recommended.. all var will do anyways is help u maintain strength during your cut.. if you don't want to run test at500 than at least run a trt dose while on the var.. but again var won't burn fat... less calories than your tdee is what burns fat. .
Silly idea, anavar won't make you lose 10lbs, obviously your diet will determine how much fat you lose. It's not a magic pill that'll torch fat, I wouldn't run it without test as youd probably still lose muscle if your calories are too low.
diet always to drop the weight. var to help burn the excess fat. i've never had trouble cutting - i just can't get into those stubborn fat stores to hit the single digits. as mentioned, i went down almost 40lbs at 1-1.5lbs per-week. don't have the patience to do that again. pure hell.
Diet to drop the weight and cardio to burn the fat.
Since when is Var a fat burner? I agree with Rusty above post a pic let’s see your 12%. If you’re a true 12% then diet and a modest cycle (to retain muscle mass not burn fat) may be in order. But I want to see it first before going any further.
Sounds like you ha e it figured out and no matter what we say your probably going to do it anyways so why even ask sounds like your looking for a cosigner
i'm an open minded guy - if you give a convincing argument that i won't get any results than i'll hear you out. it's laughable when someone thinks they're gonna get big on a var only cycle but my goal is completely different. just wanna hit those stubborn fat stores that refused to go after a major cut cycle (as mentioned in my original post).
Bro as everyone is trying to tell you, Var is NOT a fat burner.
Correct me if I’m wrong bcuz I’m new at all this. I agree var is not a fat burner, no dispute there.
But doesn’t it indirectly burn fat? It’s helps with appetite suppression = caloric deficit. It also helps maintain strength so while cutting one can maintain/gain muscle which requires more calories to maintain than the fat that just sits (or hangs) there.
So by being able to lift heavier in a deficit = more muscle = more calories burned.
But I’ve heard it has no direct fat burning properties at all.
Meth does the same thing to your appetite... I don’t think you’d consider it a fat burner no?
Lol point taken. Also a cash burner as well. Who’s up for 24 hours of cardio lol.
I was trying to say since it reduces appetite it indirectly burns fat. No direct fat burning qualities at all I agree.
That only helps you maintain muscle mass. Still Var doesnt burn fat, your diet and cardio burn fat, Var helps you keep muscle thats all. And if you run it without a test base, your natural levels will crash and all the muscle you saved with the var, will go down the drain
I agree with all that. Diet and cardio burn fat not compounds. Should have mentioned need a test base regardless because even though holding on to more muscle while dieting will help burn calories, crashed test levels will negate all of that.
I just figure it has indirect fat burning properties when used properly or else no one would keep stating it burns fat at all. Just trying to learn where all this var fat burning stuff is coming from. I assume it’s all indirect when used right