posted Sun, 03/20/2016 - 13:58
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Cut Cycle Question
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So I was going to run a prop/NPP cycle to cut down, but I was having way too many sides and had to completely come off and do a short PCT to get me back to normal. Being I have learned I am very sensitive to pretty much everything here is what I think I may be doing.
TRT Dose of Test C at 150mg - 200mg per week - 12 weeks
50mg Anavar ED - 8 weeks
50mg Proviron ED - 12 weeks
Clen 2 weeks on/off
Aromasin, Ralox, nolva, clomid on hand
Please remember this is simply to keep current muscle, harden up and lose body fat. I also have high cholesterol which is hereditary, but is under control with OTC meds. I would rather keep doses low, stay healthy and feel good.
Let me know what ya think.
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RustyhookerWheres your current stats? 4 cycles, gains kept?
What was the issue with last cycle? Sensitive doesnt mean much. Sensitive to what? Bloods?
Finished pct....taking proper time off?
BlackOPS31735 years old
185 lbs
15% bf
It was my first time using short esters and they hit me pretty hard. I only used them for 2.5 weeks. Estrogen went through the roof, water retention was very high, blood pressure went up a lot. Tried to control with aromasin, but I was already feeling like shit. Stopped the cycle and continued with aromasin and then I crashed my estrogen too low. Took HCG and am still taking Ralox to help with some old gyno. Looking to start in a couple weeks with low doses.
RustyhookerSo you've kept same size since joining up? Goal? Etc rest of questions
BlackOPS317PCT is complete and feeling good. I was up to 192 last year at the end of my cycle. Came off and lost about 10lbs of water. Also ran into some health issues and haven't been training as much as I want to. Gained another 3lbs of muscle in the last couple months naturally which brought me up to 185. Goal is to keep what I have and lose body fat and harden up. Not looking to gain mass at this point. Just want to look good, feel good and stay healthy.
RustyhookerThats mainly diet then bro. If you try any gear it wouldnt be big or heavy. But its not necessary really. Maintenance is just enjoying the gym.
A simple recovery cycle could be as small as 12 weeks test e at 300 with var 8-14 @50mg ed split. Bloods is only way to prove estro.
.. Food and gym!
Workout. 3 on...off...repeat. no skips on Sunday bs. On day is GYM day.
Chest/tris
6 sets 10-12 incline
6 sets 10-12 decline
6 sets 10-12 flat
THEN. .....ALL THOSE WITH FLIES.
Burnout on peck deck to finish.
Triceps....
6 sets 12-15 V bar push downs
6 sets 12-15 rope extensions
6 sets 12-15 jackhammer
6 sets 12-15 donkeys
Abs....calves too. Crunches for sets of 20 x 5 sets. Leg ups. Calves seated and straight leg 5x 20
Day 2 legs
Warmup 10 mins bike. Get blood into joints
Extensions 6 sets 15 reps, drop sets as you can
Leg press 6 sets of 15
Hacks 6 sets of 15
Seated leg curls 6 sets 15
Laying leg curls or good morning 6 sets 15
Day 3 back bis
Wide pulldowns 6 x 12
Seated rows 6 x 12
Shrugs...run the rack. 4 sets of drops with no break in drops. If you start 75 dumbells x 12...65 x 12...55 x 12 is 1 set.
Single arm rows or tbar 6 x 12
Bis.....
Standing curls 6 x 12
Thinking 6 x 12
Preachers 6 x 12
Reverse grip 6 x 12
THEN abs...calves
Hit this for 8 weeks. No more than 60 seconds between sets. Use notebook to keep notes on weight used. Also proof to self you completed.
Protein minimum 300 grams a day. Hydrate well. Good complex carbs. This will add solid beef
BlackOPS317Rusty, thank you! What about shoulders? Great info for the workout. I will start this workout next week and report back in a month to let you know how its working. Diet is dialed in as of today.
RustyhookerOops...I've used the above but modified to get delts up towards 61.
Day 1 chest tris
Day 2 back bis
Day 3 upper legs
Day 4 delts bis tris
Off
Repeat.
Calves and abs on non leg days. Putting legs before arms kept delts from being overly pounded. Growing but gave a rest so the joints weren't taxed as bad.
Hope it helps! Volume adds good mass. Changes help keep it from being boring. But gives an idea of a solid days work.
Watch the proviron on that dose of test, I crashed my estrogen using 50mgs of proviron with 200mgs of pharm grade test. Now if I use provi when on that dose i only use 25mgs. But were al different, you could convert alot more test to estro and 50mgs of provi could work great. Just watch out for the warning signs of oyur estro getting to low, cause when its to late even dropping the provion it took over a month for me to feel normlal again, even with a few shots of tne and prop to help get some estro back in my body. But overall i like it, var is gonna most likely mess up your lipids, but only for a short peroid of time, not a huge deal. Ive ran bloods on my lipids while on var and they were in range minus low HDL which is hereditary, nothing i can do about that. But 6 weeks vs 8 weeks, highly doubt its gonna make a big difference. Id save it the last 8 weeks if I were you.
Red yeast rice 2400mg twice ed
policansol 20mgs once ed
alot of high quality fish oil, not the kind that says 900mgs but only has 300mgs of the omega 3s, the stuff i take is 1400mgs with 900 being omega 3s and shit and I take 3 per day.
Ive used this protocll to get my lipids undercontrol on cycle, and about 10 other people now at this point. Run it from the beginning as a preventiive and youll be doing all you can. And if you use other stuff also keep at it.
BlackOPS317Thank you. I'll start out with 25mg proviron and see how that goes. I take Pacific coast nutrilabs fish oil, 4 pills a day.
If you have cholesterol issues I would shorten the duration you plan on using var. Although it is known as a "milder" compound
it can be very harsh on lipids for some.
I would also hold off on the clen. It can be a mix bag of nasty side effects for minimal results.
The test/var/proviron should be plenty to preserve lbm whilst losing bf.
Focus on your diet and cardio as that is what will provide 95% of your fat loss.
BlackOPS317Yes, blood work is good. Test a little elevated from pct which is normal. Blood pressure was way high and I am on a low dose of cozaar to help control it, but it's good now. Taking niacin, d3, red yeast rice, polycosonol, omega 3, milk thistle, turmeric and multivitamin.
If this is your first "real" cycle then i would do test c for 12 weeks at 200 or 250mg a week. You will see some nice growth from that low dose. Pct clomid 100 100 50 50. I would be careful with clen if you get high bp. I would put the clen to the side and just dial in your diet and cardio. I'm concerned about your lipid panel and bp issues. I would drop the var and clen and keep the proviron. Very sensible test dosage bro.
BlackOPS317I have a few cycled a few times already. Last year did 14 weeks test E 450 per week and had great results. I just have a hard time keeping estrogen under control as I aromatize very easily. This is why I want to keep test low. So you would say no to the clen and anavar and just do a low dose of Test with proviron?
Reduce anavar to 6 weeks since you have cholesterol issues and i think you should do mid cycle bloodwork. I wouldn't touch clen.
BlackOPS317OK got it. So here's what I'll do. 12 weeks test at 250 per week plus 50mg proviron. Get bloods done at week 6 and if all looks good I will start the var. If levels are off I will just continue the test and proviron, if they are good I will start the var for the last 6 weeks. Thanks for the advice.
I will also increase cardio and clean up my diet.
Sounds good....you are level headed about everything...u dont see much around here anymore.
BlackOPS317I know what you mean. I have learned alot about my body the past couple years. This past prop/NPP tried cycle kinda scared me with all the sides I was experiencing so I will be doing only low doses moving forward. Went to donate blood and bp was 180/90 with a resting heart rate of 110. After this I went to my doc and got prescribed the cozaar. With a clean diet, proper workouts and low dose cycles I will get the results I want while staying healthy. I have a family and my health is important for being able to take care of them. Thanks again
Well said..that's what its all about.
Did you recover from your aborted cycle?? Did you get bloodwork after your cycle?? Have you tried any of the compounds listed?? Clen is harsh and you appear to be sensitive to most compounds.