Current Cycle / Next Cycle (thoughts?)
Hi, I am on my 15th and final week of my current cycle listed below..
started at 175lbs.... now 190lbs
Test 500mg for 15 weeks
Dbol(50mg) for first 50 days
Armidex .5mg every other day
PCT starting 2 weeks after cycle
clomid and nolvidex
I'm thinking about my next cycle and wanted some tips, ideas
When im finished with my PCT for this current cycle ill be waiting about 2-3 months before starting again
Next cycle in mind( please let me know what you think)
since this is only my second cycle im not looking for huge dosing or dramatic effects
week 1-4 (dbol 30mg)
week 1-11(test 500mg)
week 1-10(deca 300 or 400)
then of course im running liver supp/multi V/armidex/fish oil
Diet is for the most part on point and plan to keep it that way... i understand that ill have to up my food intake on this deca cycle... i am a clean eater, since i cant afford much else than chicken and rice anyway lol.
What are some of your thoughts on this cycle? any tips? im looking to use this as a beginner bulkish cycle. I plan to compete in physique comps within the next year. please let me know. im open to all suggestions and ideas
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You're just to young my friend. And your 190 at 6'3. Even wotj the worst genetics you should be able to hit a lean 220 naturally, it just takes time. Come off this cycle do your pct get blood work done 4 weeks after pct and pray you didn't permentally damage your hpta and natural test levels and then eat BIG and lift like a beast and put on some quality size naturally and then in a few years when your maxed out consider messing with gear again. But at that point you might not even wanna. What I was doing when I was 20 and what I'm doing now are to totally different things. A lot changes in our 20s man. Feel free to pm me if you want any help with natural training or some different diets to add some quality size to you. I got some ideas on how to keep things interesting bro. Shoot me a pm
awesome thanks so much. Im looking at the nutrition section of this site right now.... The hardest thing for me will be affording food now. Since im gonna work with a clean bulking diet. Right now im moving out for the first time so money will be alittle tight. So i just need to find a meal plan that i can stick with, that will not make me poor haha, but thank you for the response and i will absolutely pm you in the future
It's actually pretty cheap if you're smart about, find deals and can eat the same bland shit everyday like I do. Go out and for 1 week gget 4lbs of steak 4lbs of chicken breast 4 lbs of turkey breast, so this way everyday you can have 10oz of chicken 10oz turkey 10oz steak. Gives you a variety of amino acid profiles and a little varerity in your diet. Then get 7 big sweet potatoes, enough white rice for 14 cups enough brown rice for 14 cups enough oatmeal for 14 cups so just buy the rice and oats in big bulk and it's dirt cheap. Then walmart sells 5 dozen eggs for like 7 bucks there's your protein for breakfast. Then get yourself some cottage cheese or Greek yogurt and some almonds. That's 5 meals right there, add in a post workout shake with some protein and carbs prand you got 6 meals easily 4500 cals. At 190 that should be enough to put you in a large surplus. I can do all this for pretty damn cheap. If you can't afford food why would you even consider gear? Muscle isn't built from steroids it's still built from food. steroids just helps with recovery and increases protein synthesis which in turn will makes more of that added weight lean tissue instead of far..If you need me to lay the diet out exsclty pm me.
Then the next step is lift like a fucking animal and get 8-10 hours of sleep and stay away feom hormones for a few more years atleast.
Thanks so much. I will PM you and i would love some help getting a solid Meal plan together. I would follow it to the T.
You would do good if you befriended your local butcher, after you become a regular you'll get more and more discounts, especially if you buy in bulk.
If you want send me a FR and a PM and we can talk a bit more Regarding food shopping, I myself moved out with my GF a few months ago and it's not as difficult as you'd believe.
Thanks... I sent FR
You went on a 15 week cycle and only managed to get to 190lbs? And now you're thinking of running another one, throwing in a 19nor for a second cycle (because hell why not), with no understanding of how 19nors work, with a cycle that's way off, and you want our thoughts? They're not going to be pretty...
im not asking for nice thoughts, im asking for honesty of what you think i should do.... YOU are more experienced than i am so thats why im here! im asking for help! help me to learn..... should my second cycle strictly be Test and Dbol again? maybe this time finishing the cycle with dbol rather than starting it? what do you think.
In all honesty, you should wait on the second cycle. It's not even got anything to do with the rules here about not helping those under 25, it's the fact that at 20 you're already at your peak natural testosterone levels, and messing around with your HPTA will possible irreversible damage to it. I started young too bro, I did it for sports. I applaud your desire to compete, I really do because I've been there, but no competition is worth becoming dependent on this and a load of other drugs for normalcy.
Thank you for your honesty.. and being that this is my first post and i felt rushed to make it... I wasn't aware that you had to be 25 years of age to receive help. That being said. I love the sport of bodybuilding. Competing in physique has been a dream. I understand the risks of taking anything at a young age. I wanted to start at 18 but decided to wait till at least 20. I have made up my mind that I WILL do another cycle, and it most likely will be within 4 to 8 months. I understand that everyone has to start somewhere and it is a life decision... That being said. If i as for assistance with putting together a safe and solid second cycle for myself. Is there anyone on here that can assist me with their years of experience and knowledge?
RustyhookerStats? Goals? Not sure if that's even doable....
20yrs old
6'3
190lbs
9% BF
Goal is to use this second cycle as clean bulk cycle.
im unfamiliar with the deca compound except from things ive read but if love to hear feedback or things i can do to change this and make it better
RustyhookerHere's reality. Read it twice.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/its-not-the-gear
Not being a dick. I'm going to talk at you like I'd do my own family. I'm 5-4 and typically 200. 190 from only foods.
Given your stats you're a hardgainer. Ectomorph. That means LOUDLY that food for you is utmost importance. Not the gear.
Why? On cycle you're turbo charged to grow. Roids are only for recovery. They will work withing limitations. When you're off is when the crap hits the dan. Your ectomorph genetics will still keep working over time and you're back down to 175. It will be a constant yo yo.
You'll positively need to learn with only FOODS to hold above 200 lbs or it will run you ragged. I had an ectomorph I trained last summer. If he missed couple days of high calories, he'd drop 5 hard earned pounds. I had him dirty dirty 6000 call a day.
It looks like a natural shortcut but it's literally a razorblade. And when those new gains drop in a mobth, depression etc will kick your nuts.
There's food bosses on here I can direct you to. That's mandatory for lifetime gains.
Also, your endo system is still fresh puppy. You burn your axis you WILL need a life time of constant pins to even bang out your lady. Fact! Then you have trt for life and you're STILL 175.
Hope you read and research buddy. That's straight talk.
Thank you very much. i don't care how blunt people are with me. Really appreciate the feedback. I am going to take what you have said.... before i do my next cycle... i will clean bulk from 190 to 200lbs. If i am able to reach 200 then i think about cycling again
Good man, gave you a +1 for the open mind. If you want assistance with your diet, you can always pop in on the diet clinic thread this site has set up. I'm sure the guys there will make you pack on lbs you didn't even know you could!
Good lad... now you have my attention, crack that natty bulking then hit up some self pics and then we steer you down the right path with a solid regime........... heres +3 karma to keep the focus and commitment high.
Thank you very much guys. look forward to showing you all what im capable of!!!
oh shit!...............
feedback? is it wrong? what would you suggest
Bro.. just think yourself lucky you still being able to read this page.
20yrs old..... stay out my face around here
isnt it better to give me at least some advice? rather than just blow me off
Bud, you listen to uncle vike over here. He's a god amongst us plebs, and you take every single goddamn word this man says and you burn it into your brain. One day, when you're 40, you will look back on your life, and realize everything you've ever accomplished is thanks to this man.
what is there to listen to? this is my first post ever to get more knowledge and to ask for help from experienced people. he just told me to stay out of his face? i understand his ranking and i respect him for that. But im asking for help
Read what I wrote above, I'm sure Vike will back up that sentiment. I don't know his story, nor is it mine to tell, but he's been through more with this lifestyle and all it comes with then most of the guys here. His ranking has nothing to do with it, he's just someone who carries with him a certain level of respect. While he may have come off blunt, that's how Vike is, and if anything, it shows you he actually doesn't want another 20something year old messing his own shit up for life.
Either that, or Vike is gonna steamroll you and eat your cookies.
Can u afford bloodwork? Its important too. Your cycle is wrong. And you are 20.
yes before i start my next cycle i will have blood work done.... can you tell me why it is wrong?